[{"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "

:wave:

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:00:48Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Smullen", "text": "

:rat:

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:00:55Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "

I can take notes

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:01:33Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

hello. Thank you Thomas.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:02:46Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

Thank you Thomas!

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:02:58Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

I'll help with notes.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:06:50Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

thanks Mike!

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:17:07Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

Remote participants cannot see slides yet. FYI

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:21:42Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

At least for me.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:21:45Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I can, after a reload

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:22:19Z"}, {"author": "Chunchi Liu", "text": "

if you rejoin you can see the slides.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:22:28Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

@meetecho we are having trouble with slides share here

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:24:34Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Reloading seems to work

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:24:45Z"}, {"author": "Dave Thaler", "text": "

Can mark as Updates: 9334

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:25:55Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

About draft-ietf-rats-corim:
\nThe abstract contains lots of nice words about things, but does not actually tell me what is in this document.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:27:26Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

The last sentence doesn't?

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:28:13Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

I guess technically it does, but could be more verbose.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:29:19Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

(I like starting a new paragraph for such a sentence.)

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:31:01Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

This is not the first time that people have asked for more transparence from the RATS design teams.
\nIt has previously been compared to the \"PKIX Attestation\" design team that runs under LAMPS where I try (but don't always succeed) at publishing meeting minutes back to the WG list. For example:
\nhttps://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/bIrtTYYjBfFHqEdD0EWU8jTnm9Y/

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:35:25Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

(The venue info is missing at least from -05)

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:35:58Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

Mic check, Mike. (Ugh, that's the worst. Been there, done that.)

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:36:40Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

In similar cases, setting up a notes.ietf.org page with ongoing meeting info has helped.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:38:27Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

I'm done with Technology. I have been through 4 headsets today trying to get them to work with Meetecho :(

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:01Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Use your laptop, ignore headsets.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:16Z"}, {"author": "Jean-Pierre Fiset", "text": "

Sorry Mike

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:23Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

Mike, did you check in the preflight window if the volume bar moves when you select the device? Just changing it while you're published may not work as expected

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:35Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

For that, I need IT to issue me a new laptop, because the built-in mic is dead :(

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:38Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

@Mike Ounsworth, am sorry for your travails. But if you have questions, please post on the chat so we can capture them and try to get you answers

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:41Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Oh.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:45Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

Mike Ounsworth said:

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This is not the first time that people have asked for more transparence from the RATS design teams.
\nIt has previously been compared to the \"PKIX Attestation\" design team that runs under LAMPS where I try (but don't always succeed) at publishing meeting minutes back to the WG list. For example:
\nhttps://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/bIrtTYYjBfFHqEdD0EWU8jTnm9Y/

\n
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@Nancy Cam-Winget I posted it here already.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:39:59Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Use your smartphone then

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:40:01Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

You can redo the preflight clicking on your avatar in the bar below and clicking \"select your devices\"

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:40:23Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

my laptop is low, and isn't charging. I need to power cycle.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:41:45Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

@Mike Ounsworth, your point is well taken and we'll try to reinforce

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:41:45Z"}, {"author": "Kathleen Moriarty", "text": "

Thank you, Mike. It's helpful to see these calls for additional transparency from multiple participants.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:41:56Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

early directorate sounds good

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:44:49Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

@Henk Birkholz /@Henk Birkholz (whichever one), can you resummarize your last comments at the end of the draft-ietf-rats-reference-interaction-models item on the agenda? The scribes didn't quite understand your response. Thanks.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:49:32Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

Is it CHARA? Anyone tell a scribe.

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:57:43Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

(I am not familiar.)

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:57:49Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

charra draft

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:58:29Z"}, {"author": "Deb Cooley", "text": "

draft-ietf-rats-yang-tpm-charra-22

", "time": "2024-07-23T20:59:49Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

Michael Richardson said:

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my laptop is low, and isn't charging. I need to power cycle.

\n
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hmm. It seems my adapter is fine, but my USB-C cable may be corrupt. Maybe it will work during the next Epoch.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:02:15Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

Hopefully the response to the poll goes up each time you ask :)

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:04:11Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

Hi Mike, it did but there were more \"no's\" than \"yes\" in having read the draft, so I'll do the poll and ask in the mail list

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:06:07Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "

@Mike, I had to close the queue but do post question

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:30:57Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

Can you precisely mention which claims were not in EAT?

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:34:20Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

As author, I wanted to respond to Yaron and Chairs question.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:34:24Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

But Hannes and Tim answered well.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:34:39Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

Muhammad Sardar said:

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Can you precisely mention which claims were not in EAT?

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Each claim that is borrowed from EAT cross-references the corresponding EAT section. (not in the table, but in the full sections below). Is that sufficient, or would you like that information in a different format?

\n

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ounsworth-rats-pkix-evidence-00#name-claims

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:36:54Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

(Not to be answered in the remaining minutes): Why are you tunneling JSON???

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:40:03Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

I don't see any claim in the tables without a reference. So I am confused which claim is actually not there in EAT.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:41:07Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

Because IIUC Hannes mentioned that some claims were not in EAT. Is it correct?

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:41:36Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

_Not_ in the table, but in the full sections below.

\n

For example:

\n
5.3.2. sueids (Semi-permanent UEIDs) Claim (SUEIDs)\nThe "sueids" claim conveys... snip ...\n\n**See Section 4.2.2 of [I-D.ietf-rats-eat] for a description of this claim.**\n
\n

But for example, \"5.4. Environment Identifier\" is not in EAT.
\nIs there a better / clearer way to put this information?

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:42:17Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

It would be nice if the claims missing in EAT are mentioned separately.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:44:10Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "

Just for clarification, for what purpose? Just for the purposes of WG review, or will implementers care?
\nIE should it go in the main table, or would an appendix \"Diff from EAT\" be sufficient?

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:45:19Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

meetecho: speaker?

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:45:55Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Thanks

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:46:04Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

Mike, I'll get back to you after this presentation.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:46:52Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "
\n

(Not to be answered in the remaining minutes): Why are you tunneling JSON???

\n
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to avoid escaping headaches

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:51:54Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

There is no escaping in CBOR

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:52:17Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

Carsten Bormann said:

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There is no escaping in CBOR

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I like what you did there, perhaps a t-shirt ...

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:52:44Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "

:D

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:53:03Z"}, {"author": "A.J. Stein", "text": "

As a scribe it took me a while into the presentation to figure this out, we are talking about this draft?

\n

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ffm-rats-cca-token/

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:53:43Z"}, {"author": "Kathleen Moriarty", "text": "

Yes

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:53:57Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "

@Usama: the T in EAT is for \u201ctoken\"

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:54:08Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

This is the paper Giri mentioned: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/375592777_Formal_Specification_and_Verification_of_Architecturally-defined_Attestation_Mechanisms_in_Arm_CCA_and_Intel_TDX

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:56:13Z"}, {"author": "Yogesh Deshpande", "text": "

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ydb-rats-cca-endorsements/

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:57:01Z"}, {"author": "Yogesh Deshpande", "text": "

Peter: Can you please provide the details of the BoF?

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:58:54Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Sardar", "text": "

Sec. III D 2 in above paper talks about appraisal steps for Verifier for both split and integrated verifiers.

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:59:05Z"}, {"author": "Kathleen Moriarty", "text": "

NASR bof Thursday morning session

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:59:15Z"}, {"author": "Deb Cooley", "text": "

https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/nasr/about/

", "time": "2024-07-23T21:59:30Z"}]