[{"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "

Cannot see speaker...

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:07:55Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "

I would expect local detection to discover _more_ 1 Gbit attacks than 100 Mbit attacks...

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:17:46Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "

please ask any further questions on the list

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:26:04Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "

Has the speaker considered the economics of this proposal. Those joining first bear a greater burden than those who join later. How do you think we can address that?

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:28:00Z"}, {"author": "Bumblefudge", "text": "

I can see this security model working well with the weird HTTPS experiments of the BRAID group

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:32:32Z"}, {"author": "Shawn Ngiap", "text": "

But who would 'register' all those user DNS names e.g. .me in this case?

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:40:43Z"}, {"author": "Michaela Shapiro", "text": "

@shawn I had the same question - how would this be organized? this also has the potential to impact ICANN...

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:41:35Z"}, {"author": "David Oran", "text": "

Q: are the public keys of the users intended to be bound to the name assignment authority or be independent? This has serious implications for any revocation authority.

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:44:44Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "

And don't we have OAUTH already which can in principle be decentralized?

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:44:51Z"}, {"author": "Bumblefudge", "text": "

net-new tld might be a realistic condition to go further with this :grinning:

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:46:20Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "

While we have 1000's of TLD now, we don't have 1000's of TLD operators.

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:47:06Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "

the point is that I can just get one name under .net, then delegate names to my friends

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:49:50Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "

(the one hidden need: name delgations better be stable)

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:50:34Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "

That is true!

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:54:36Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "

(Getting one name and then delegating.)

", "time": "2024-11-06T13:54:44Z"}, {"author": "Geoff Huston", "text": "

I am Geoff Huston and I did read the draft a couple of seconds ago and I think the case that there is more here than economics driving centralisation is not really well made (i.e. I'm still unconvinced!)

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:04:14Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Perhaps the economic incentives are a second-order effect from other drivers, like market dominance or control of platforms?

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:07:15Z"}, {"author": "Sheetal Kumar", "text": "

There is a complex and intersecting relationship between the economic forces and standards because of the nature of who is developing the standards, in what system and to what end - complex but not impossible to tease apart

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:08:34Z"}, {"author": "Sheetal Kumar", "text": "

Can provide some feedback on the draft re: making this point clearer

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:08:49Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "

I believe the evolution of media in the abstract (I'll be a McLuhamist for this argument) that predates economics. We should not minimize issue of human imagination.

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:09:28Z"}, {"author": "David Oran", "text": "

There may be two phenomena: the forces causing centralization to happen, versus the forces that maintain it and prevent its dismantling. Among economists i believe this is discussed in the rubric of \"rent seeking\" by powerful incumbents.

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:09:29Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "

\u201cCentralisation considerations\u2019 would seem reasonable for RFCs, in particular the potential positive or negative impact on the resilience of the Internet

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:11:53Z"}, {"author": "David Oran", "text": "

i can see how some protocol designs may make centralization easier, but i don't see how protocol design can have any significant positive effect on effecting decentralization of an existing centralized ecosystem.

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:12:40Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "

just a note to Colin's comment: one of the speakers at DIN WOrkshop (Dirk mentioned earlier) is Executive Director of UCLA Institute for Technology, Law & Policy)

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:14:48Z"}, {"author": "Geoff Huston", "text": "

I agree Dave - on the face of it the DNS seems to be a remarkably well designed decentralised protocol - the reality is that the space is heavily centralised with a few large actors dominating the entire space. Protocol designs seem to be orthoginal to economics centralisation

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:15:07Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "

@Geoff, isn't DNS's utility largely open to its usage? (it's one of the best designed protocol to my opinion)

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:16:41Z"}, {"author": "Geoff Huston", "text": "

See https://www.potaroo.net/presentations/2022-11-22-resolver-concentration.pdf

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:17:42Z"}, {"author": "Geoff Huston", "text": "

A few operators serve all the names that users resolve

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:18:09Z"}, {"author": "David Oran", "text": "

@Geoff: there are a (very) few counter-examples like Algorand, which simply don't work unless there is a very large number of provably independent actors. However, those don't tend to be useful for anything beyond consensus protocols or the various anonymous blockchain style things that are useful only for nefarious purposes conceivably much worse than what we experience with centralization.

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:18:28Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "

I know that piece of work (Dirk and I discussed it). 'lets bring the discusson to the mailing list

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:18:45Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Excellent slide set Geoff! As always.

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:19:29Z"}, {"author": "Bumblefudge", "text": "

DLT or BFT or a third thing ?

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:21:35Z"}, {"author": "Geoff Huston", "text": "

This summary seems to carefully avoid any mention of the underlying issue of economics. Seem that thjis is a study of the effects but not a study of base causes

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:27:24Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "

DLT: there are 2 fundamentall differen types: anonymous, or permission-based. Which one you referring too?

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:27:30Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "

Harold innes's work maybe?

", "time": "2024-11-06T14:30:39Z"}]