Hi Keitaro!
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:30:26Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "Hello. For some reason, I cannot log into the full video tool. If the draft update can come towards the end? I'll try joining by then.
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:34:13Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": "I can take the notes
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:34:13Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "(If someone can communicate my message to the chairs, it's appreciated!)
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:34:39Z"}, {"author": "Nick Doty", "text": "@meetecho, we can't see the speaker Keitaro
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:35:55Z"}, {"author": "Nick Doty", "text": "thanks
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:36:17Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Nick Doty fixed, sorry, missed the switch!
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:36:24Z"}, {"author": "Sara Dickinson", "text": "@Gurshabad - yes please let us know if you are able log in later
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:36:42Z"}, {"author": "Sara Dickinson", "text": "@Saidu - thank you for note taking :-)
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:37:05Z"}, {"author": "Thom Wiggers", "text": "audio in the room is cutting in and out
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:37:59Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "That mic is dying
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:43:39Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "I think the mic may be running out of batteries
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:44:13Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "I'll notify the AV team
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:44:17Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Better now?
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:46:26Z"}, {"author": "Sara Dickinson", "text": "Yes - much (for remote)
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:46:40Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "@Sara: Thank you. When I'm logging in via Datatracker to the full video tool link for pearg, it says \"Unauthorized\", even though I am registered for the IETF. Haven't faced this problem before, sorry :|
\nI tried what I could, but it doesn't seem to work. I'll keep trying but if nothing works, I'll draft a message here regarding the recent I-D update that can perhaps be read out.
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:47:43Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "The AV techs at the back of the room are working on the broken mike. They've just put it back on the mike stand. We'll find out if it's been fixed once the Q&A starts.
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:47:47Z"}, {"author": "Sara Dickinson", "text": "@Gurshabad - that is fine if you need to draft a message here!
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:48:53Z"}, {"author": "Sara Dickinson", "text": "@Jim - thanks for update :fingers_crossed:
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:49:58Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Gurshabad Grover can you try again? We notified the issue and it may be fixed now
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:49:59Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "@Gurshabad , are you logged in with your datatracker account?
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:49:59Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "Gurshabad, I saw this problem before and the person who experienced it needed to ask the Secretariat to intervene.
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:50:07Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "@Sara: Okay I'm in now, not sure what changed. Happy to be on the mic when it comes to the safe-measurement draft update. Thank you!
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:50:24Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "in what use cases is it valuable for the sender to be anonymous?
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:50:44Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "Thanks, @Lorenzo Miniero !
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:50:48Z"}, {"author": "Sara Dickinson", "text": "Great
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:50:49Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": ":tada:
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:50:57Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "@Gurshad, \"unauthorised\" usually means a problem with your datatracker account. Cllearing all the IETF state and cookies from your browser and retrying might work.
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:51:02Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "this is anonymous with respect to non-members, or anonymous with respect to other members?
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:52:26Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "Good question @rohan
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:54:36Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "Appears to be anon wrt server
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:55:00Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "ok, there was the answer
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:55:11Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "The three papers talk about this as dealing with metadata leakage
", "time": "2025-03-19T08:56:38Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "it seems like each member would have to maintain a strike list to prevent impersonation, and there would be race conditions
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:00:19Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "that seems kind of fatal to this scheme, since the whole point of signatures in MLS is to prevent members impersonating one another
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:00:57Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "maybe this could still be useful vis \u00e0 vis the server
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:01:16Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "Have both, rather than only the HKP scheme?
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:01:52Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "yeah sorta. i was thinking you would do signature within the group, and HKP to prove group membership
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:02:25Z"}, {"author": "Thom Wiggers", "text": "HKP25 has a lot of different combinations
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:03:06Z"}, {"author": "Nick Doty", "text": "it seems like only a stochastic protection, though, right? the server can listen to lots of messages and narrow down which group you are sending to as a member of?
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:08:53Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "QMisell, is there a reference for the tag scheme you talked about?
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:09:29Z"}, {"author": "Q Misell", "text": "https://crates.io/crates/fuzzytags
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:09:47Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "Thanks!
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:09:59Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-pearg-safe-internet-measurement/
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:10:11Z"}, {"author": "Nick Doty", "text": "chairs, we keep hearing your typing
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:11:10Z"}, {"author": "Q Misell", "text": "Nick: if you implement a group as several one-to-one deliveries (as Signal does), then no
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:11:54Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "Sorry Nick
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:12:05Z"}, {"author": "Nick Doty", "text": "+1 Nick Sullivan. it's very topical at the moment to detect and address censorship, so it's important to find the right willing venue
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:18:13Z"}, {"author": "Keitaro Hashimoto", "text": "Richard Barnes said:
\n\n\nyeah sorta. i was thinking you would do signature within the group, and HKP to prove group membership
\n
We also consider authenticating the sender of messages for group members. In the [HKP25] protocol, the first token is authorized by the signature and the second token is authorized by the first token and .... Create an authentication chain.
\nOnce the pre-image x is leaked, anyone in the group can impersonate.
I like the idea of my privacy reviews as \"unsolicited advice\"
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:26:05Z"}, {"author": "Nick Doty", "text": "that sounds like a good direction: a privacy directorate to organize reviews, and the privacy research group that helps organize guidance and identify problem areas
", "time": "2025-03-19T09:29:26Z"}]