I was going to respond to Ali's questions... but I couldn't get the Meetecho app to let me raise my hand. :man_facepalming: It turns out the app disconnected. It's back now. I'll save my response for the open questions session at the end.
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:30:40Z"}, {"author": "Ali Rezaki", "text": "@MeetEcho: Speaker's camera is not working. Help please.
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:34:24Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Ali Rezaki do you mean we were not showing the presenter?
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:35:06Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "It looks like its' working as expected to us
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:35:17Z"}, {"author": "Ali Rezaki", "text": "OK. Now, it is working. Sporadic for some perhaps.
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:36:08Z"}, {"author": "Ali Rezaki", "text": "Thanks for the attention!
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:36:15Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Yes it wasn't showing the presenter - now it's good, thank you!
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:37:27Z"}, {"author": "Eve Schooler", "text": "@Dan York, we'd welcome hearing your thoughts responding to Ali's questions
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:38:49Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Eve Schooler said:
\n\n\n@Dan York, we'd welcome hearing your thoughts responding to Ali's questions
\n
I will during the open session. In retrospect, since I'm IN the room, I could have just gotten up to the mic while the Meetecho app was reconnecting.
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:44:53Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Yes lack of energy proportionality is a bad thing, and vendors should try to make all their hardware more energy proportional.
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:53:08Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "The current issue I see with working on energy/carbon forecasting research complete lack of data from operators/datacenters on consumption and even countries on production and consumption (especially from different energy sources). Most of the numbers from operators are designed as \"marketing\" to highlight how carbon-efficient they are and it only leads to \"greenwashing\". Maybe one of the outcomes of this RG can also be to recommend/probe the operators to share their energy data in a more structured manner (e.g. on electricitymaps).
", "time": "2025-03-18T06:58:34Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Electricitymaps is harvesting inputs from heterogeneous sources... I'd like to, but I don't honestly think we can realistically combat the marketing desire of operators or datacenters.
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:00:33Z"}, {"author": "Eve Schooler", "text": "That said, encouraging more transparency from operators would be a good thing
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:01:07Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "oh yes of course
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:01:15Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "but with realistic expectations... perhaps the right way to think might be: is there a way to incentivize such transparency?
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:02:15Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "well you said already: marketing ;)
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:02:53Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "As an RG, does compiling a list of energy/carbon consumption resources shared from different perspectives (operators/cities/countries/third-parties, etc.) makes sense?
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:05:05Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "in principle yes, but it sounds like a never-ending task
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:16:52Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Be our guest though :-)
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:17:05Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "Great! I believe there is sufficient interest in the research community where different groups are keeping tabs on data sources. Just a matter of coordination.
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:19:25Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "There's our Wiki: https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/sustain
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:21:07Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "Thanks Michael!
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:21:42Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "The Netflix claim is interesting. Did the seminar participants also discuss verifying these claims with unbiased measurements especially considering the scale? I see such reports which \"pass the buck\" to other stakeholders in the pipeline highlighting how its not their problem.
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:39:02Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "+1 Nitinder. I'm always suspicious of press releases that pretend to be science.
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:41:08Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Did we discuss verifying these claims: I don't remember us doing so (but there were breakout groups).
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:42:21Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "The Netflix claim: the diagram was cut from their report, which contains references that explain where these numbers come from, on the same page: https://about.netflix.com/en/news/2023-esg-report
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:44:34Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "page 26
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:44:47Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Let's not blame Netflix for us Dagstuhl organizers doing a bad job by just cutting a diagram from their report as if they didn't say where the numbers are from :-)
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:45:10Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "I'm sure we blame Netflix for something else. :-)
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:46:05Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "I think I will echo Jukka's comment here: there are about a 100 problems to work on within SUSTAINRG scope. What I am afraid of is if those 100 problems are the \"real\" problems or there are 1000 other problems which are not yet apparent due to operator marketing reports (not blaming Netflix, just highlighting that highlighting sustainability is key economic incentive for operators).
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:47:30Z"}, {"author": "Nitinder Mohan", "text": "I must reiterate that I am very happy with the formation of this RG as it comes at the right place and right time. Looking forward to contributing and learning more :)
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:51:52Z"}, {"author": "Marisol", "text": "Thanks Eve, really good to see this coming!
", "time": "2025-03-18T07:53:57Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Agree with Nitinder that it's great to have this RG formed! Thank you to all who made this happen.
", "time": "2025-03-18T08:00:51Z"}, {"author": "Eve Schooler", "text": "Wanting to also THANK Colin for his guidance forming this group!
", "time": "2025-03-18T08:03:17Z"}, {"author": "Eve Schooler", "text": "As well as Dirk!
", "time": "2025-03-18T08:03:21Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "+1, thanks Colin and Dirk!
", "time": "2025-03-18T08:03:35Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "and everyone!
", "time": "2025-03-18T08:03:39Z"}, {"author": "Ali Rezaki", "text": "Thanks all!
", "time": "2025-03-18T08:04:36Z"}]