One of my colleagues is coming raise it
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:30:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "@Lorenzo, OK, thanks
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:31:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Carolina Caeiro", "text": "Ignacio sounds just fine for those of us online
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:38:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Carolina Caeiro", "text": "I think it may be an issue with the room
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:38:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "I am willing to help with notes, but I can't handle the whole thing myself. The low sound level from the remote speaker is also still a problem
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:39:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Alvaro Retana", "text": "Thanks! I'm taking notes too, so we can complement each other.
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:41:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Is there a link to HedgeDoc?
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:41:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "I'm doing it in the online note tool, and at the moment I only see myself?
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:42:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "@michael click on on the \"pen and paper\" icon at the top if you are on the MeetEcho Lite client
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:42:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Alvaro Retana", "text": "https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-124-rasprg
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:42:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Ah great, thanks! I'll try to help out too. @Rodney: of course!!!!!! Stupid me!
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:44:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "On Monday I spent two minutes trying to find the \"Share Slides\" button that is a massive icon at the bottom, so I'm with you :-).
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:45:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": ":rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
", "time": "2025-11-05T14:48:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Could someone ask Joseph to mute his audio when he's not talking? It looks like he's the cause of a lot of echo in the room when other remote speakers talk
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:03:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Audio in the room is currently good, but was bad when Joseph was speaking last.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:04:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "Joseph's audio was clipping for the remote too
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:05:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Yes, his mic is very hot, so it clips when he talks and generates echo when others talk apparently
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:05:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Jari Arkko", "text": "it is not the source code, it is the rights to commit to main
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:09:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": ":-)
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:12:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "speakers sound is really statically..
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:13:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "Could the speaker fix this problem?
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:13:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Ignacio Castro", "text": "tried, but this is the best we managed (reducing the volume helps)
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:15:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Ignacio Castro Joseph could try to reduce the capture volume of his device in the OS settings: it may be too high at the moment, causing this saturation
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:15:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "@Michael I think I see you also in the Notes tool? I'm currently running close to the front and missing a lot, so if you extend or correct a half step behind me that would be great.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:17:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "(Or we could do it the other way around)
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:17:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "What are the potential crisis points? Automation of configuring and managing networks have had specatular failures.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:17:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "Is there research on security for LMM? Is there research that considers how to protect against attacks or \"screw-ups\" by the algorithms?
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:21:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "A question was \u201cHow to structure future RFCs to be LLM friendly\u201d? Do the panelists have a feel to what extent formal methods help because they can be automatically checked?
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:21:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Alvaro Retana", "text": "Sue: feel free to join the queue.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:21:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "@Rod: ok!
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:22:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Handing off to you for a bit
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:23:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "omg
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:25:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "For a different illustration of the current models - \"It Takes Only 250 Documents to Poison Any AI Model\" - https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/only-250-documents-poison-any-ai-model
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:34:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "*limitations of the current models
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:34:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "@Michael lmk when you want me to pick back up, but you are doing a better job than I was.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:38:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Am I? I'm losing so much
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:45:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Trying to fill my holes would be nice :-)
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:46:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Ironic as it is, EKR has shared a meeting summary tool which already does a better job than me I think :-D
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:46:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "LLMs help us even as we discuss them :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:46:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Yeah, the tool looks pretty intriguing.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:49:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Sorry, I missed Sue's comments, too, so no help filling in there. Am watching the others and not feeling the need to add much.
", "time": "2025-11-05T15:50:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "How many pages/words/bytes in the RFCs and on the mailing lists over the last 4-5 decades? I'm sure it's a lot of text for a human to grasp, but should be modest compared to the size of e.g. Wikipedia or other major corpuses.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:00:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "I think we have created a knowledge base on how to better design automation. Some of the things to look at are crisis points, load points, whether complexity makes it easy to do \"oops\", and how to test tools.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:00:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "Is the speaker ignoring this past knowledge or his point different than this point?
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:01:19.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "@Rod the RFC archive is about 67 million words
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:02:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Thanks, an interesting number. (My own rsync copy is far out of date and offline in Dropbox, so I couldn't do a quick check.)
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:03:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "(For comparison, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Size_of_Wikipedia says English Wikipedia is 5 billion words in 7 million articles.)
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:05:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "The mail archive is 37GB. Doing a word count on that is not trivial.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:05:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": ":open_mouth:
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:05:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "It's in the IRTF Code of Conduct \u2013 correct
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:11:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "RFC 9775:
\nGenerative artificial intelligence (AI) tools and systems must not be
\n listed as authors of IRTF documents, presentations, or other
\n materials. The use of generative AI to create text or other content
\n is permitted but must be disclosed if significant amounts of such
\n content are included, for example through an acknowledgement
\n describing which AI system was used and how it contributed. The use
\n of AI to perform spelling or grammar checks and corrections, to
\n translate between languages, or to otherwise improve the presentation
\n of content need not be disclosed.
Nick Sullivan presented RFCGPT here, an early attempt of loading an LLM with RFCs for Q&A https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/119/materials/slides-119-rasprg-llms-and-rfcgpt-leveraging-large-language-model-platforms-to-understand-standards-01
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:13:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "Joseph's point on non-native English speakers - is important.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:15:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "+1 to Michael. There's a lot of low-hanging fruit here.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:15:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Rodney, if you take over now briefly I can insert what I said at the mic.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:17:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Roger. My ball
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:17:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "Great discussion - thank you all!
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:20:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Susan Hares", "text": "Thank you Ignacio and Alvaro -- and Joseph
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:20:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Invited Speaker 1", "text": "Thank you all.
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:20:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Benson Muite", "text": "thanks
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:20:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Thanks Michael, great job!
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:20:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Welzl", "text": "Thanks everyone! Super interesting session
", "time": "2025-11-05T16:21:07.000Z"}]