(There go my ears after having adjsuted to the chairs' volume)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:30:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(A serializer/deserializer is a great target for a fuzzer, but that is not this document, which is more like Appendix A of RFC 8949.)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:40:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(This file is EDN, no?)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:41:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "So you don't actually need the quotes in edn-representations?
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:41:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Ams\u00fcss", "text": "Without them it wouldn't be useful in CBOR any more (it'd be fine but the label edn-representation would be misleading).
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:42:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "OK
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:42:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Nice
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:42:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Maybe add 1.6
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:44:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Good idea
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:44:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(1.6 can not be represented in binary16 or binary32)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:45:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Ams\u00fcss", "text": "The encode test might lead to impls saying \"this is valid too, please add it\", but realistically, that'd be rare.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:47:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(One disagreement here is that I believe there should not be a \"preferred-plus checking decoder\".)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:47:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "But that is not a disagreement with the testing plan, but with the main content of the draft.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:48:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "This slide nicely demonstrates the grey areas we create with this draft, and that we shouldn't create
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:49:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Yes, that is the correct answer with what we have in the draft. Which is a big part for me not wanting to do this.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:50:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "So working on test vectors is really elucidating.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:51:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Not sure I would want the carefully chosen test vectors shoved to a different document -- we didn't do this with Appendix A of RFC 8949. But I wouldn't mind either.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:53:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "@cabo,
\ndo you have any evidence that \"most people haven't been thinking about examples\"?
Those that agree with the draft? Likely.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:58:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "I have substantial evidence that the proponents of the draft have actually used copious examples to have discussions about what the draft should contains
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:59:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "contain
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:59:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "I heard Laurence say the non-normative stuff correct
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:02:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Ams\u00fcss", "text": "Laurence, please check minutes.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:03:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Ams\u00fcss", "text": "+1 on HB's comment (also because the encoding test will not be comprehensive)
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:04:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "https://github.com/cabo/cbor-test-vector-spike
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:04:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "I have 2200 tests in the test vector spike
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:05:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Vojt\u011bch Vil\u00edmek", "text": "Is it a good idea to have two places of the test vectors / examples?
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:05:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "I need to switch on the mic to hear you
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:05:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Vojt\u011bch: one should be examples (explained, in this document), one should be test vectors, which should be more exhaustive
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:06:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Laurence Lundblade", "text": "Got it. Examples!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:06:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Laurence Lundblade", "text": "(but also usable as a test vector)
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:07:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Ams\u00fcss", "text": "It may be sensible to ensure that the examples are checked to be in the vectors too (or in a parallel file).
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:07:27.000Z"}, {"author": "David Waite", "text": "He may have unmuted to fix a meetecho audio issue
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:08:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "I can't hear anything without pressing the unmute (like this morning)
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:08:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Now I can, again.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:08:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Carsten Bormann have you tried refreshing/rejoining? The issue we had this morning is now fixed
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:08:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Martine Lenders", "text": ":praise:
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:09:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "When you can only hear if you unmute, means that only the active connection to the mixer works for you, while the passive listener connection failed for some reason
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:09:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(You can look at https://slides.cabo.space
\nfor a list of WG documents and their status.)
We dynamically switch between the two depending on when people unmute to talk
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:10:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Vojt\u011bch Vil\u00edmek", "text": "@cabo
\nI have not seen the cbor-vector-spike before, are the test vectors annotated (like expected output for preferred-plus, deterministic encoding, ...)?
Thanks, Lorenzo.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:10:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Marco Tiloca", "text": "@Chairs: In -edn-literals, the document header says \"Standards Track\", while the Datatracker entry says \"Informational\". I guess the latter needs to be fixed?
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:11:17.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Yes
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:11:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Ams\u00fcss", "text": "Aware, just not processed yet.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:11:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Marco Tiloca", "text": "Thanks!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:11:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "10:14 is correct
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:14:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Martine Lenders", "text": "Thank you all!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:14:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "meetecho: session ends
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:14:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Thanks for the heads up!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:15:13.000Z"}]