Got reconnected again
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:22:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "yes, it's a bit shaky
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:25:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Robert Carolina", "text": "Same here (London) - disconnected reconnected once.
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:27:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Lost audio
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:28:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": "is it only me? it keeps disconnecting. The second time now
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:28:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "(And video)
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:28:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Same here
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:29:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Same here onsite
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:29:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Same here - there seem to be network problems generally as Dispatch is also having issues
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:29:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Robert Carolina", "text": "Same - can't recover audio
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:29:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Missed Lucia's question. Can someone post it please?
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:30:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Shigeya Suzuki", "text": "same problem on audio. second time. reload worked the first time. this time not. slides seem ok.
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:31:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Lixia* (spell check insists otherwise)
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:31:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "We're aware of the issue, working on this
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:31:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": ":+1:
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:32:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "I informed the NOC
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:33:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Frederick Tschernutter", "text": "trying to connect
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:33:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Frederick Tschernutter", "text": "can-t reconnect says
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:34:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "Hi Rahul! Sorry I wasn't watching chat. My question: today's E2EE sounds great, but with unfortunate fact that all keys are centralized -- shou'dmt that be part 0f the futuure challenges/
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:35:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "We are seeing the slides remotely
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:41:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "I have some comments on Geoff's comment, unfortunately we are out of time. Regarding what happened iin history: there are inevidable factors, there may also other factors that could have changed the path in some ways -- lots to discuss about.
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:41:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Thanks Lixia :slight_smile:
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:41:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Connection keeps dropping every few seconds, \"unable to attach to server...\"
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:45:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Shigeya Suzuki", "text": "same
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:45:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Shigeya Suzuki", "text": "no audio now.
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:45:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Robert Carolina", "text": "same
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "same here
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:12.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Yes
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": "It seems like you can't hear me?
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Same here. I thought that was due to the storm outside, but I guess it is a central issue...
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Also no transcription anymore - this was working earlier
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "no audio from Saidu
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Kan Zhang", "text": "can't hear
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:46:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Shigeya Suzuki", "text": "I heard same in dispatch too
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:47:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Kan Zhang", "text": "can see video
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:47:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "The connection has been going up and down here in Tokyo
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:47:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Yes, also here in the meeting room
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:47:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "no sound, no video
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:48:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Is there a way to download Saidu's slides, or paper?
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:50:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "yes, datatracker
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:50:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/125/session/dinrg
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:50:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": "A public version is also available online: https://openaccess.city.ac.uk/id/eprint/36822/1/bluesky3_0-7.pdf
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:51:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Thanks for the paper! The datatracket download appears stalled.
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:54:12.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Also, no sound from the current speaker
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:54:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Can anyone remote hear the current speaker?
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:57:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Tianyuan Yu", "text": "Yes I can hear
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:57:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "thanks
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:57:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": "I can also hear
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:57:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Yes from me too
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:57:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "hopefully the recording captures the talk that you can view later
", "time": "2026-03-16T01:57:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Looks like things have stabilized now?
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:06:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": ":fingers_crossed:
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:07:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "I had to close the window and then reconnect. Now it works.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:07:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "ACK, thanks. We'll try to bring on Saidu again.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:11:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "I don't think it's the window...
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:11:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "comment on the comment: today's situation is not a reliable prediction for tomorrow. Cnanges are acce;lrating (wonder if people heard Nvidia's recent move of investing $25B in 5Y to develop open source language models)
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:16:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Lixia Zhang", "text": "in parallel, Hardware acceleration is accelerating
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:18:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "This discussion of Bluesky block lists remains me a lot of the development of DNS blacklists to block spam in email.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:24:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "It would be nice to study the differences between the 2!
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:26:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Do we have people at IRTF investigating distributed training models for large neural networks?
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:28:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Fredrick, you may turn off your camera, since you are not speaking.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:30:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "There is an IRTFOPEN meeting on Tuesday morning that is discussing the larger topic.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:30:32.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "To Lixia: the kind of blocklists studied by Saidu are a form of distributed trust. They are decentralized, and the end users subscribing to a list are placing trust in the list managers...
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:33:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "In a centralized system, the answer to the question \"who is lixia\" does not require any key in the name. Just a centralized database that can provide answers reliably. That the \"human-meaningful + secure\" edge of the triangle...
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:40:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Yes, if you trust the centralized system.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:42:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "In that way, a blockchain is very much a variant of distributed system. Anybody can propose a block chain entry \"Lixia has key=12345\", but how do you verify that before admitting it in the blockchain? You end up with some kind of more or less centralized control function.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:46:19.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "The web approach has the same issue. How do you know that among \"lixia.example.net\", \"lixia.example.com\", or \"lixia.random.example.com\" is the person that you have in mind? The easier it is to create a name, the less 'semantically meaningful' it is.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:50:12.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "Right, you need information about the identity, not just the name.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:51:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "I was at ICANN last week. Literally half the discussion was about what they call DNS abuse - actors are registering names for malicious ends.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:53:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Registrars unfortunately are not great trust anchors.
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:54:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "Registrars are paid by how many names they register. Competition drives the price per name down. Marketing compensates by increasing the volume of names, which means having as little verification as possible...
", "time": "2026-03-16T02:59:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "(Polite nudge to Chairs on timing)
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:02:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "Some registries have such significant malicious registrations to the point there is belief that they are part of the abuse. In many cases domains are rented by criminals for mere hours (though I believe that is being clamped down now).
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:02:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Dirk Kutscher", "text": "ACK, we'll wrap up shortly
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:02:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "@Rahul PIR gave an excellent presentation on attacking DNS abuse, specifically problem registrars, during ICANN last week
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:03:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Vittorio Bertola", "text": "I'd have joined the queue but will take this offline
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:03:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Christian Huitema", "text": "I think we have to think of \"names\" as the neck of the identity hour glass. The top of the hourglass is the set of applications using these names. The bottom is the set of name verifiers providing the \"semantically meaningfull\" properties, search, etc. The neck has to be uniqueness and proof of ownership.
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:04:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Saidu Sokoto", "text": "Thank you
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:05:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahul Gupta", "text": "@Andrew I missed that, I'll look it up. Thanks!
", "time": "2026-03-16T03:05:15.000Z"}]