Ok good to know we will work on the echo as best we can. It's a big room with big speakers.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:31:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Seyi Akiwowo", "text": "to help with pronunciation of my name: Shay-ee Aki-wo-wow
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:31:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Sound is good
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:33:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Kate Sim", "text": "we hear it but better than before
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:33:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Sarah Jennings", "text": "No echo online
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:33:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "No echo online!
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:33:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "I can help with notes
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:33:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-125-hrpc#
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:34:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "thank you
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:35:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Laura - I'll defer to you to take notes of the questions, but I'm glad to help if needed.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:35:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "sure, I can do that. so you will take notes of answers, right?
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:36:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "or should I do that as well? sorry just wanted to ask to be sure
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:36:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Oh... sure... we can split it that way.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:37:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "Not sure if it was just me, since I \"signed\" in on multiple rooms while looking for the right place, but the meetecho tool when I scanned with my phone (incorrectly, I hope) placed me in the MPLS LITE meeting.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:38:32.000Z"}, {"author": "Rodney Van Meter", "text": "(Resolved by logging in via laptop, which turns out I want anyway.)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:38:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Rodney Van Meter if you scanned the QR code in the room that shouldn't happen, it should redirect you to the room you're in. Can you provide more info? In private if you prefer
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:41:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Corinne Cath", "text": "we love human rights + competition, at article19 we run a whole program on it https://www.article19.org/resources/digital-markets-competition-supports-free-expression/
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:42:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "@Dan York let me know if you want me to take care of questions and answers, I really wouldn't mind it. Just please let me know :D
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:45:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "@laura - If you want to do it all, go for it! I'll be hear to help if you need it.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:47:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "(I'll be here :man_facepalming:)
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:47:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "ok thank you! if you think I missed anything/got anything wrong, please feel free to modify the document.
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:47:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "thank you for the help
", "time": "2026-03-16T08:47:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Excellent talk - great to see some context for MIMI. We hope to do with PARCEP the same for parental controls in due course
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:04:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Monika Ermert", "text": "Sound lost?
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:06:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "It's still okay for me
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:06:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "I can't verify the sound working online but I do see the automatic transcription tool still working.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:07:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Dan York", "text": "Sound is working for me
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:07:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Monika Ermert", "text": "transcription is fine
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:07:42.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "have not had any problems here
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:07:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Monika Ermert", "text": "refreshed, and it is back.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:09:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Reflecting on Dirk's point, it's difficult to see many alternatives to regulation to counter monopoly positions gained via network effects
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:11:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "Very hard to hear Mallory.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:36:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Feel free to jump in the queue, we have a few minutes for Q&A with Kate!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:37:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "We've got about 3-5 minutes before we move to Seyi's talk.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:37:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Corinne Cath", "text": "thanks kate
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:40:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Sorry Edmund, please do comment in the chat!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:41:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Kate Sim", "text": "Thanks Andrew, happy to keep chatting.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:43:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Edmon Chung", "text": "no worries, i had a very similar question to Corinne's but was hoping to hear a bit more from Kate about what platforms can do to help cause we operate the .KiDS top level domain
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:43:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Kate Sim", "text": "Let me know the best way to reach you
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:43:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Sorry Andrew and Kate! We have another full talk to get through. Feel free to continue the convo here.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:44:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "@Dan I need to go for a moment, if I dont get back in time to write down the questions/answers, could you do it?
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:45:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Some brief additional comments:
\nIt's a complex subject, this needs a much longer conversation!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:46:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Gurshabad Grover", "text": "@Laura: I can do that if Dan doesn't see this. Keeping an eye here, let me know!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:51:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "Thank you so much, I just need to go for a minute and come back. Thank you!!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:52:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Laura Scalone", "text": "I'm back now, thank you for keeping an eye out!
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:56:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Kate Sim", "text": "Just a quick response to your questions, Andrew:
\nRe: prevention in other jurisdictions. I agree that the US is a unique example in how major detection is, but the EU/UK in the past several years have experienced severe budget cuts to primary, secondary, and tertiary prevention programs and other kinds of social support for children. Decades of CSA research (happy to share citations) advocate that prevention simply being included in the detection agenda is inadequate. Prevention needs to be the driving agenda. That's not currently the way the ecossytem actors are moving, and certainly not how regulatory measures think of interventions.
\nRe: image retention, yes tech companies are not allowed to retain the images. Apologies if I was being unclear on that front. The point I wanted to raise was that they are stored, maintained, and applied by ESPs, and often without regular review of their accuracy and fairness.
\nRe: efficacy of detection. This idea that CSAM viewing is a reliable indicator of contact abuse is widely contested. In fact, a recent meta-analysis concludes that multi-offenders are 15 times more likely to reoffend than CSAM-exclusive viewers.
\nThis has real repercussions. In the US, judges and prosecutors are increasingly frustrated because they are inundated with charges for view-only offenses. For all the reasons I discussed, this ends up overpolicing and enacting disproportionately harsh punishments on children, usually black and brown boys, engaging in consensual and developmentally normative sexual behaviors. Jduges and Prosecutors also say that view-only offenses are sometimes sentenced even harsher than contact-offenses. This really defeats the purpose of how CSAM charges are meant to be used for detecting high-risk individuals.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:59:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "I have never had a discussion at work that considered downstream social harm.
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:59:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Seyi Akiwowo", "text": "When protocol developers think about system risk, do conversations ever include the downstream social harms those systems might produce?
\nOr is that considered outside the scope of infrastructure design?
I think we do, fairly narrowly, when the social harm seems to grow out of our work (think spam)
", "time": "2026-03-16T09:59:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Thanks everyone!! See you in Vienna.
", "time": "2026-03-16T10:00:02.000Z"}, {"author": "David Lawrence", "text": "I have, but regret that we're inexpert in it, so conversations are woefully inadequate.
", "time": "2026-03-16T10:00:05.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "good session
", "time": "2026-03-16T10:00:14.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "thanks
", "time": "2026-03-16T10:00:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "(Thanks for the folks answering in the chat. The \"room\" will remain open for a bit longer.)
", "time": "2026-03-16T10:00:24.000Z"}]