[{"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

I thought I saw daylight through the window.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:30:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

ekrbot will take notes for us

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:31:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Sean Turner", "text": "

Remote Room2 - is the Taki room in Japan. There's Martin, Rohan, Joe, Wes, and myself currently present.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:31:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

absolutely, ekrbot is not trustworthy

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:32:01.000Z"}, {"author": "David Waite", "text": "

how many of the no votes were no I hadn't read the charter additions?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:36:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Christopher Inacio", "text": "

the way the question was worded could be that \"no\" could mean the list message wasn't read

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:36:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Yes

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:36:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Christopher Inacio said:

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the way the question was worded could be that \"no\" could mean the list message wasn't read

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OOps, yes, that's a problem. But I assumed that people could read the slide

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:36:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

But I really wanna.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:37:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Brent Zundel", "text": "

I\u2019m hoping folks who didn\u2019t read it indicated no opinion

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:37:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Obviously, if we don't get negative feedback, that's information.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:37:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

We'll get the input from the real no people

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:37:42.000Z"}, {"author": "David Waite", "text": "

I'm vibe coding a cryptography library but I only recommend production usage by AI agents

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:37:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

You think your joking David..

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:38:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

IETFMolt

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:38:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

DID is not a certificate

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:38:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

Even a DID document is not a certificate

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:39:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

DIDdoc is a certificate :P

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:39:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

At most it is a self-signed certificate

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:39:17.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

Oh no heck DIDnt

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:39:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

Henk*

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:39:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

wait what?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:46:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

My view on THAT is that we can define claims in support of advancing this work without a recharter.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:46:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

why would you need a separate work item?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:46:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

So yes, what Richard said.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:47:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

@Martin Thomson seems like chairs prerogative to clarify that

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:47:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

I did. But we're short on time and I want to give Rohan as much of it as possible.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:47:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

+1 for redact/disclose. blind/unblind is a term of art in cryptography, e.g., \"blinded signatures\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:47:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

That point is a distraction.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:47:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Hide/reveal ?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

\"unredact\" is the word for \"unredact\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

leak

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

+1 Richard

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

isn't unredact the word for unredact?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Isn't redaction irreversible?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

The black highlighter doesn't come off.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Sean Turner", "text": "

\"blot out\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

@martin depends on how you do it

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

https://theonion.com/cia-realizes-its-been-using-black-highlighters-all-thes-1819568147/

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

Depends on how good you are with PDFs

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

@Martin not if you are Adobe PDF

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

lol same

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

also, why are we not just doing whatever SD-JWT does

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I think we can still get \"unredact\" for $0.50.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

FWIW, vct is hopefully going to be registered by SD-JWT VC not SD-JWT

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:48:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

Redact/Bare?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:50:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

we did have words

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:50:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

not sure they are consistent

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:50:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

they were redacted

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:50:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

i mean, even if they were not consistent

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:50:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

that's my answer for basically every question here. \"Why not just do what SD-JWT did\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:51:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

this is just a re-encoding, not a re-imagining

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:51:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

is it though?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:51:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

well it ought to be

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:51:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

if i were writing it, i would have literally taken the SD-JWT spec and had Claude change JSON to CBOR

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:52:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

There are a few \u201cnew things\u201d\u2026. Encrypted disclosures, and presentation format does not need the \u201c~\u201d + hash thing that so-just has

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:52:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

you might need to underedact that

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:52:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

there's a whole encryption thing too

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:53:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

Yeah, what Brian said.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:53:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "

Timers hel

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:53:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "

P

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:54:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

Yes, I know. Had one going, too.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:54:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

SD-JWT did not have encryption

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:54:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

on purpose

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:54:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

for goodness sake, non-AEAD is dead in the modern world

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:54:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

The data is authenticated. Via a hash.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:54:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

still

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:55:17.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

The problem with AEAD is that there are many potential ciphertexts that are valid according to the key. There is only one plaintext that hashes to the provided value.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:55:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

@Martin Thomson that doesn't sound like a problem. just use the right ciphertext.

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:56:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

So basically why not HKDF all the things?

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:56:19.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

i already issued my threat

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:56:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

:)

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:56:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Brent Zundel", "text": "

Two buttons meme:

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:57:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Brent Zundel", "text": "

use AEAD in sd-cwt vs Richard Barnes as Sec AD

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:58:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

(4/3)^6 FTW

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:58:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

i am admittedly not very smart but still don't understand why encrypt anything in this

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:58:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Selective disclosure on SPEED!

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:58:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Encryption gives you more power over who gets to see what..

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:59:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

Brian Campbell said:

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i am admittedly not very smart but still don't understand why encrypt anything in this

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i am also confused by this

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:59:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

Martin Thomson said:

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Encryption gives you more power over who gets to see what..

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seems like layer confusion

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:59:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

@brian the use case is for tunneling som disclosures to an inner verifier.. basically not all audiences need to see all claims

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:59:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

don't send the disclosures to the verifiers that don't need them

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:59:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

??

", "time": "2026-03-18T03:59:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

@orie I stand by my comment

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

Wow, a human in the room.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

I do wonder whether encrypted disclosures could be an extension...

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

(For clarity, none of my comments on this encryption piece should be construed as chair positions.)

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

it definitely seems like you could do a post-hoc transform that just encrypts the disclosures, though see my earlier \"why???\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

mine either

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "

Possibly, but they fit fine in the id currently

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

Martin Thomson said:

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Isn't redaction irreversible?

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hence \"unblind\" or \"disclose\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:00:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

I like hide/reveal or conceal/reveal. But the \"what did SD-JWT do\" argument is pretty strong.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:01:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Josh G", "text": "

redaction would seem to be revert-able but not reversible

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:01:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

Is \"Holder\" akin to \"Bearer\" a la OAuth?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:01:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

\"blind\" does not appear in the SD-JWT RFC

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:01:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

per Orie, we also apparently need an inner verifier

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:01:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Robert Moskowitz", "text": "

IMO it is always at least a 3-party model. I don't think there is any 2-party model for these things. n-party messes do exist. So expressing the 3-party seems reasonable.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:02:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Josh G only if you accept a world where the arrow of time can be reversed.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:02:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Brent Zundel are you serious about that flow diagram? because that diagram won't fit in 72 columns.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:03:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Richard Barnes", "text": "

somehow PKIX has gotten by with the subject/CA/RP trichotomy just fine for decades

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:03:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Josh G", "text": "

I'm not sure such deep consideration went into SD-JWT

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:03:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

Carsten Bormann said:

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I think we can still get \"unredact\" for $0.50.

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Pat, I'd like to buy a vowel please

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:03:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

Not with that attitude

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:03:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

What is RFC track?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:04:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

i suspect 'blind' is one of the words would be considered problematic in that document that isn't available on us gov related websites

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:04:14.000Z"}, {"author": "David Waite", "text": "

FWIW Credential Management API now defines what a Credential Manager is. https://w3c.github.io/webappsec-credential-management/#credential-manager

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:04:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

The bait worked.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:07:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

It sounds like Brian has WGLC comments on SD-CWT.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:07:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

RATs has \u201cVerifier\u201d as a separate thing from RP \u201cRelying party\u201d

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:08:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

my inner voice has comments apparently

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:08:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

that came out

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:08:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

proud of you, heather

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:08:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

I was sorta joking, but sorta not\u2026. The use case for the encrypted disclosure should probably be put in context of those, to avoid further confusion

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:09:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

So basically I agree with Brian\u2019s bait.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:09:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Brian Campbell said:

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my inner voice has comments apparently

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Happy to hear those translated into email form. Maybe this will be RATS-baiting only and this is already resolved over there, but still worth having it expressed.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:10:17.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

i was sorta joking and sorta not too. I agree with that, if the WG really wants to keep that stuff.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:10:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

@justin #winning

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:10:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Is this SCITT or SPICE?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:11:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Brent Zundel", "text": "

SPICE

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:11:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

\"multiple implementations\" == necessary but not sufficient.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:12:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Why are we discussing something that looks like SCITT?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:12:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Carsten Bormann you know where the queue button is.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:12:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

We did a draft that adjusted claims from JWT / CWT regarding OIDC\u2026 I see this as sorta like that\u2026 but more domain specific\u2026 but Carsten raises a great point.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:13:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

I didn't want to waste time if I'm just not updated.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:13:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

\"RATS-baiting\" is wonderful btw

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:13:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Carsten Bormann said:

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I didn't want to waste time if I'm just not updated.

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I don't know if we've really gotten to the bottom of this.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:13:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Thanks.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:13:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

If we have participation, perhaps those participants can help us set some scope bounds. The set of claims they collectively want. The challenge here, as Mike articulated is that there is a piece of string that you could pull on almost indefinitely.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:15:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

but I've not looked at RATS nor do I anticipate finding the appetite to do so anytime in the foreseeable future

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:15:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Forum shopping is not the answer to the question. We can coordinate amongst different groups to find the right venue.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:16:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Wes Hardaker https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-prorock-spice-cwt-traceability-claims/

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:17:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

something about key discovery and scope?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:18:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

Thanks, @Carsten

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:19:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

or am I out of touch? (again)

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:19:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

Missed that feature

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:19:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

We've used that feature in meetings in the past, though I realize that maybe it was the case that I used that feature.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:19:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

I expect we have. My memory can't be trusted for something I use only 3 times a year. :-)

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:20:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

It isn't exactly intuitive, definitely.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:20:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Paul Wouters", "text": "

heather: so do more interims :)

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:20:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

bi-weekly works wonders

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:20:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Paul Wouters the answer is almost never \"more meetings\"

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:20:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

Is a DID Method a specific type of PKSP?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:21:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

@Paul I was rather thinking we needed to do that, but not so I can get more familiar with the tools. That would be mean of me. Fun, but mean.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:21:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael StJohns", "text": "

I hate to say this but PKSP ~= single point of failure??

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:21:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

did:plc: ftw!

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:22:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Will this work as well as the PGP keyservers?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:22:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

@Michael StJohns SPOF can be addressed within the architecture of the single point of failure, right?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:22:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael StJohns", "text": "

I'm looking at the document and this looks monolithic...

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:22:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

This could also be a PKI.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:23:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

hmm, watching verifiers pull issuer keys is a nice control point\u2026 but limits applicability

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:23:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael StJohns", "text": "

And I'm not sure about the \"authenticates the verifier\" thing...

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:23:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

I'm anxious about the PKSP being a big shiny treasure trove

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:24:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Isn't it the case that there is a need for trust between the verifiers and PKSP? I mean, there is a lightweight trust requirement on issuers to trust that the PKSP presents their keys faithfully.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:26:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Jonathan Hammell", "text": "

keytrans is meeting in parallel to this session

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:27:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

is there some sort of AGC on this meeting? because MSJ was VERY loud here relative to all other speakers.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:27:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael StJohns", "text": "

@martin - sorry about that

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:28:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

Totally not your fault

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:28:19.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

VIdeoconferencing systems generally have automatic gain control to manage that.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:28:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Which doesn't help if the source is clippping

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:29:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

Martin Thomson said:

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my inner voice has comments apparently

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Happy to hear those translated into email form. Maybe this will be RATS-baiting only and this is already resolved over there, but still worth having it expressed.

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I am not allowed to use my work email here so honestly unlikely this will ever be translated into email form. TBH the work email is just a convenient excuse. My feedback is mostly just don't do confusing things that aren't explained for reasons you probably don't have.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:29:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

this sounds like it should be in WIMSE not SPICE?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:29:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

@A. Prasad out of curiosity, did you bring this to OAUTH already?
\nIs it only for JWTs or for both CWTs and JWTs?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:30:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Nathanael Ritz", "text": "

OAuth has Identity Chaining too

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:30:32.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

(Heather: just go on as a hallway meeting for a couple more minutes)

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:30:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Heather Flanagan", "text": "

How does one do that?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:31:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Just ignore the clock, and maybe say this is no longer a WG meeting

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:31:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

THIS IS NO LONGER A WG MEETING!

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:31:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

It seems I am in the rough, as the grey beards and golfers of my skill level say, however, and have no interest in discussing more

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:31:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Thanks, Martin

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:31:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "

We never close meetings abruptly, no worries

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:31:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

We are done with formal proceedings. Stick around a short time if you want to hear more from our presenter.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:32:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Martin Thomson", "text": "

But we won't be here much longer. Some of us have things to do.

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:32:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Justin Richer", "text": "

is there a signature on top of the achd?

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:32:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "

Thanks all!

", "time": "2026-03-18T04:33:26.000Z"}]