@Mallory People are gradually coming into the room
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:30:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "Hello from remote :)
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:30:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "@Meetecho Sound is a little soft in the room
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:30:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "remote to remote is nice :)
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:31:10.000Z"}, {"author": "David Lawrence", "text": "Sound in the room is much better now that the door is closed
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:32:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Martine Lenders", "text": "Andrew Campling said:
\n\n\n@Meetecho Sound is a little soft in the room
\n
I am sitting in front of the speaker and even for me it is quite hard to understand. I think it's because the room is very echoey.
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:32:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "I've notified the AV team
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:32:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Martine Lenders", "text": "David Lawrence said:
\n\n\nSound in the room is much better now that the door is closed
\n
Yes better now that the door is closed.
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:33:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "The EQ is also pretty heavy on the treble, which isn't helping.
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:33:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Priscylla Silva", "text": "not yet
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:39:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "I can see \"Talk Outline\"
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:39:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Corinne, your mic is a bit loud.
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:41:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "@Ted Lemon do you mean in the local room?
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:43:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Yes, it's clipping a bit. Not a big deal.
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:43:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Lorenzo Miniero", "text": "Is it better now?
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:44:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Better, yes.
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:44:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "(not clipping anymore)
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:45:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Alexandr Railean", "text": "What was the reason they decided to do this in the first place? (e. g., cost cutting)
", "time": "2026-07-20T09:57:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "@Corinne, great presentation, definitely worth sharing with DINRG.
\nOn the specific topic, one trade-off for registries and registrars, many are subscale and at risk from attack, which hyperscalers are better placed to resist.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:01:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "Good reflection also on using GitHub for SDO work
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:02:17.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "It feels like the \"U.S. control\" issue is just an instance of the set of problems you sign up for when you outsource your IT.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:02:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Kurtis Heimerl", "text": "will we have time or should we move on?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:03:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "@Ted Yes, although the CLOUD Act, FISA 702 etc pose specific problem when US entities are involved
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:04:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Happy to go another minute or two. We can also chat here.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:04:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Exactly, those are specific (and really bad!) instances of a general problem. :)
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:04:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Kurtis Heimerl", "text": "@mallory sg, i think mine won't be super long
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:04:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Alexandr Railean", "text": "@Ted, It is more than that; think of the political angle -> the case of the judge whose account (on some Microsoft service) was blocked.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:05:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "@Ted I think having the ability to negotiate country-by-country regulations and agreements is probably a good thing, but highly brittle and not scalable. The breakdown of the past two years has exacerbated (or demonstrated) this risk, but things were relatively stable/ok up until then, I'd argue.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:06:19.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "You can call that political, but in practice it's just an example of the sort of attack that happens when you export agency to some other entity.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:06:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "The political climate has brought things to their logical breaking point, in other words.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:06:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "I think the idea that things were stable was a bit of a snare and a delusion, though.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:06:46.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "it is important to always show that there are alternatives.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:06:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Like, going back to how things were doesn't remove the risk\u2014it just postpones it.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:06:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "@Ted nonetheless measureable however
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:07:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Carolina Caeiro", "text": "I do suspect as Alexandr and Andrew suggested, that this is about costs. And I can see the .NL being able to make domain name registration more expensive and still function, I think some other ccTlds are more strapped to make ends meet -- so share the spirit, but there is a cost logic that informs decisions, that also merits discussion
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:07:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "We agree about the consequence
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:07:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "I got the sense also that Microsoft turned out to be quite expensive in the long run.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:07:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "Affordable can change to expensive after takeover - ask and VMware customer post acquisition by Broadcom
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:08:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Yup
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:08:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "(*any)
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:09:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "It feels like \"political\" is true but also the water the whole thing is swimming in. If you take things local again, that's also political isn't it?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:11:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "@Ted If in response to me, I meant this specific contemporary political climate not that politics exist in internet governance at various levels.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:14:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "it was a reaction to what Corinne said, but we can discuss it after the talk as appropriate... :)
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:15:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "Colin referencecd it I think, but for universities, one of the drivers causing outsourcing is that we don't pay sysadmins near as much as the hyperscalers pay e.g. SREs, so we lose the capability to e.g. run our own anti-spam
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:15:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Once upon a time this RG had draft-political
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:15:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-hrpc-political/06/
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:16:17.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "@stephen and why is it that this is still a problem? Because we have no mail protocol that can reject spam automatically at low cost, and every time it gets proposed, it gets shouted down. :(
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:16:56.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "i think that often things we put under the political rubric are far more petty and personal than that.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:17:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Stephen Farrell", "text": "@ted: which protocol proposal(s) do you mean?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:17:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "inderdaad
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:17:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "let's discuss later?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:18:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "@avri that's why it's \"political\" in contrast to \"principled\"
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:18:08.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "i tend to think that political includes a larger strategy and control point. i think what actually happens in many case needs a different word, because it confuses the analysis and mitigations of the political.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:20:31.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "i still think that the corporate responsibilities document needs to be rewritten for the current age. It has needed it for over a decade now.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:23:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "Which doc?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:25:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "Is this document publicly available?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:25:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "My q was to @avri
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:25:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "(Sorry, I'm referring to the UN document.)
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:25:46.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "yes. i am giving approx iname. give me a sec. he had just mentioned it. i was not speaking of the new doc, I was speaking of an older doc.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:27:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "GDC = global digital compact of the UNGAQ
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:28:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "UNGA
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:28:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Shane Kerr", "text": "This session ends in 1 minute, right?
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:29:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "ish :)
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:29:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "awesome to hear impact in w3c
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:30:59.000Z"}, {"author": "avri doria", "text": "the docuemtn i think needs an updating is:
\nThe UN Guiding Principles on Business and Human Rights
ah yes it's circa 2012
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:31:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "i mean, the ohchr has an entire team dedicated to it now, which back then was only just getting started
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:32:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Mallory Knodel", "text": "https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/publications/guidingprinciplesbusinesshr_en.pdf
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:32:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Ted Lemon", "text": "YESSS!
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:32:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Corinne Cath", "text": "heaaaar heaarr
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:32:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Corinne Cath", "text": "the work of dr kate sim who presented last time at hrpc also does a genuine job of doing work that centers kids rights
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:33:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Corinne Cath", "text": "", "time": "2026-07-20T10:33:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Corinne Cath", "text": "instead of pretending kids are safer by breaking encryption or banning social media
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:33:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "thx corinne, will study this
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:34:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "I think this complex topic is now discussed on a solution space , but I think it is useful also to discuss on the problem space, also from rights-perspective
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:35:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "AoB as over time: Would like to see greater focus on tech-facilitated child abuse and exploitation in 127, will suggest some speakers and topics in the chat. Ditto tech-facilitated fraud and scams. Both in context of the significant human rights impacts.
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:35:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Simone Onofri", "text": "Andrew, happy to present the work in progress (research and W3C) :)
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:36:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Andrew Campling", "text": "@Simone, great talk off list
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:36:33.000Z"}, {"author": "bengo", "text": "Thanks presenters and chair, great meeting
", "time": "2026-07-20T10:36:36.000Z"}]