[08/01/2012] IRTF Proposed RG meeting IETF 84 Lars explains the ground rules. Dave's introduction. Bob Brisco's presentation No questions. Nick's presentation Question: sue hares. Did you write the procera language? Nick: there is a detailed description of the language with examples. Sue: I tried to do some things with the problems with use cases with FML and ran into some walls. Nick: …in theory you should get all the proof machinery in haskal. : question…. One particular case. The feedback we arr getting back is that we can use this for parental controls. Certainly many people have said they do not have this problem. Cisco guy: what you are trying to say is that there are security as a service devices. There are already devices that do this. Why do you need SDN to solve this? Nick: things get hairy when you try to compose policies. In a general purpose, high level programming language makes this easier. Rules are checkable for completeness. Ed Crabbe's presentation. More presos Charter Discussion: Lars: maybe you want to think about how SDN is coming up outside of the IETF. People can sit down after this meeting. IRTF has little process. If you want to have an interim meeting, go for it. Jeff: This is quite detailed. Lets really find out how can we use SDN for things that are atypical for what the IETF wants to use it for today.