Minutes of the WEIRDS WG 2012-08-01 09:00 PDT Regency F Hyatt Vancouver, BC Relevant materials: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/agenda/agenda-84-weirds http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-weirds-0.pdf http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-weirds-1.pdf http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-weirds-2.pdf http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-weirds-3.pdf http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/84/slides/slides-84-weirds-4.pdf The Chairs opened the meeting, and drew to the attention of participants details about the IETF IPR policy ("Note Well"), and arranged administrative details, then turned to be business of the meeting. The Chairs outlined their vision for document organization. There was discussion of the Chairs' prioritization. The Chairs raised the question of what "MUST support" in this context. There was considerable discussion about the topic, but the Chairs clarified that they were talking about the mindset for development rather than particular language in the document. ACTION: Chris Wright volunteered to make another pass at capturing principles for development, rewriting text on Supporting Objects. The meeting turned to the topic of service differentiation. Sean (Shuo) Shen gave a presentation. There was discussion about whether some of the problems were in fact protocol issues, or just implemetation issues. There was discussion about authentication and methods for that. AD asked from Chairs what they thought they heard. Response was that room wants to do some sort of authentication for service differentiation, but still seems to be req. Also, heard "KISS" and based on existing experience. The WG then moved to versioning and extensions. Andy Newton made a presentation. There was discussion about prefixes and registries. No clear decision was made. ACTION: take determination of IANA registry to mailing list The WG moved to the topic of URI templates. Murray Kucherawy moved to the floor and made a presentation. There were arguments to the effect that they are not necessary & too complex. The Chairs noted the resistance. The WG moved to the Object Inventory. Ning Kong made a presentation. The Chairs noted that the point of the work is input to a design team that will pick common base objects to standardize. There was some discussion about the semantics of the output (and difference with presentation). ACTION: Chairs to determine design team. The design team will start with existing work from the numbers community. The Chairs moved on from organizational topics on the grounds that actions were covered in the individual topics. The meeting move to the bootstrap question; John Levine gave a presentation. There was considerable disagreement about whether any of the options are acceptable, and additional objection about whether the bootstrap issue is in scope. The Chairs were unable to draw a conclusion about whether the topic is in scope. The question of an interim meeting was raised. There was not a strong request, so the determination was, "No." The Chairs directed further discussion to the mailing list, and closed the meeting at 11:35 PDT.