Routing Area Open Meeting (rtgarea)
IETF 95 (Buenos Aires)
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Area Directors:
     Alia Atlas (akatlas@juniper.net)
     Deborah Brungard (db3546@att.com)
     Alvaro Retana (aretana@cisco.com)

Area Secretary:
     Jonathan Hardwick (jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com)

Wiki:
     https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/WikiStart

Scribe:
     Jonathan Hardwick (jonathan.hardwick@metaswitch.com)

Location:
     Atlantico C, Hilton Convention Center, Buenos Aires, AG

Time:
     April 6, 2016, 1620-1720 (4:20pm-5:20pm)

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1. Administrivia
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Welcome two new RTGAREA chairs
- Martin Stiemerling (SFC)
- Peter Van der Stok (ROLL)

Welcome new routing area directorate coordinator
- Xian Zhang

Routng area directorate work assignments will change.
- More documents will be reviewed.
- Assignments will be round-robin not targeted. This follows practice in other 
  directorates.
See Deborah's email to the directorate for more details.

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2. RTG Technology Presentation - TRILL Overview
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Jon Hudson

Mikael Abrahamson
Are all [interoperability] problems in the past?  (Jon: No!)
Where can I find plugfest results to find out where the problems are?

Jon: We are trying to put this on the wiki.  Sue Hares did some plugfest 
reports.

Mikael Abrahamson
So is "the wiki" the IETF wiki?  (Jon: Yes)

Eric Gray
1) I had to present TRILL architecture to 802.1 architecture group.
A lot of concepts are specific to the routing world and relate to the 1998 
version of 802.1Q.  E.g. STP is [viewed as] bad in routing because it does not 
consider MSTP, RSTP.  In the routing world TRILL looks useful but less so to
bridging folk who by now have other options.

2) TRILL was supposed to be zero config but ISIS is not yet zero config eg. how
you do trunking.  E.g. multiple links coming into a campus, or a link only 
usable by a subset of routers - these scenarios [are not zero-config].

Alia: Eric you are right there is not enough sharing of knowledge with IEEE.
We could share knowledge via a webinar.

Jon: A lot of it is subject to what PMs choose to push to ther customers.

Eric: We did a Sunday tutorial for the IETF a few years ago on 802.1 which was 
under-attended.  We should re-share slides for this.

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3. Working Group and BoF Reports         
  - Routing Directorate Report
  - WG Chair Reports
            
Deborah wins a bottle of wine for having her WGs turn in their reports first.

In general, see the notes in the wiki for the reports.  Additional comments
noted below.

Babel (Joel Halpern)
Lots of people in the room who expressed much interest.  Back with ADs.

Bess (Martin Vigoreaux)
Lively group. Looking forward to meeting tomorrow.

Bfd (Jeff Haas)
BFD MIB is stalled and Jeff suspects it will die.

Bier (Tony P)
Looking at YANG and OAM.
Security is missing presently.

Ccamp (Daniele)

Detnet (Lou Berger)
New use case in detnet: machine to machine.
Data plane alternatives draft is a survey document to summarize what is there.
It is not intended to be prescriptive.

I2rs (Sue Hares)

Idr (Sue Hares)

Isis (Chris Hopps)
Not meeting - chairs absent.
Note draft-ginsberg-isis-mi-bis is a non-backwards compatible update to an RFC.
It is worth a look.
There will be a meeting in Berlin.

L2tpext (Deborah)

Lisp (Joel Halpern)

Manet (Stan Ratiff)

Mpls (George Swallow)
Lively discussion about RFC3107bis which has errata and underspecification
issues against it.  There are differing implementations and the discussion
is whether to document around them or throw the protocol out and re-do the
ambiguous bits.

Nvo3 (Alia Atlas)

Ospf (Acee Lindem)

Pals (Andy Malis)

Pce (Jon Hardwick)

Pim (Stig Venaas)
We are having some problems with low participation - people working on their  
own drafts and not paying attention to others'.  We are trying to work out how
to address that.

Roll (Ines)

Rtgwg (Chris Bowers)

Sfc (Alia Atlas)
A discussion about security, but no conclusion or traction.

Sidr (Sandy Murphy)
Significant discussion about what the future of SIDR should be.
Discussed whether or not BGPSEC should be experimental - no consensus.

Spring (John Scudder)

Teas (Vishnu Pavan Beeram)

Trill (Sue Hares)

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4. Open Discussion / Any other business  

None