UTA WG, 20/07/2017 18:10-18:58
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Note Well & Agenda Bashing (5 min)
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no comments

draft-ietf-uta-smtp-tlsrpt-06
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in WGLC, not discussed, comments to the mailing list

draft-ietf-uta-mta-sts-07
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room comment
  - suggestion to include relative security benefit of TOFU for small versus very large senders in security considerations to contrast MTA-STS against DANE

Chair asks for room consensus on room K/V versus json
  - there does not seem to be a strong preference within the room; most people seem to care either way
  - Viktor has a preference for K/V
Chair concludes no strong opinions voiced; without strong opinion voiced it will remain the way it is
  - it will be taken to the list either way

draft-ietf-uta-email-deep-07
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status update presentation by Keith Moore (see slides)
  - feedback: why state TLS deprecation as < 1.1? Recommend TLS 1.2
  - feedback: submission is here to stay; for SMTP both 587 (requiring STARTTLS) and 465 (implicit TLS) are probably OK

hum on document status: standards track vs. BCP
decision: clear consensus that it should be standards track
  - will be confirmed on the list
  - AD: standard track makes sense

AD: ready for WGLC? Keith: Yes, probably next week. Chair: agreed.

draft-fenton-smtp-require-tls-03
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status update presentation by Jim Fenton (see slides)

hum on working group adoption of the draft
decision: clear consensus that it should be a standards track
  - will be confirmed on the list

Future work
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Open Mic
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  - Viktor Dukhovni: there is no clean way to signal deprecation of an STS policy.
    - chair asks to provide a specific text suggestion for the draft to clarify
    - chair: probably means couple of months before WGLC
  - Chair asks implementers if there are strong opinions on K/V vs. JSON
    - Viktor: Postfix will probably not ship with JSON included
    - Mark: Google will have an implementation within a few weeks, will take some performance hit, can also live with K/V
    - AD: suggest one week call on ml to state there will be no change unless a lot of people turn up
    - Chair: that's what we'll do
  - Yaron Sheffer: asks attention for ticket pinning draft, talk to us