MINUTES FOR DECEMBER 12, 2000 IAB BIZ MEETING

PRESENT:

Ran Atkinson

Rob Austein

Harald Alvestrand

Fred Baker (IETF Chair)

Steve Bellovin

Randy Bush (IESG liaison)

Brian Carpenter

Jon Crowcroft

Leslie Daigle

Steve Deering

Tony Hain

Geoff Huston

John Klensin (IAB Chair)

Joyce Reynolds (RFC Editor liaison)

Henning Schulzrinne

Abel Weinrib (IAB Executive Director)

NEXT MEETING:

Tuesday January 9 (2001), 1500-1700 US East Coast time.

NEW ACTION ITEMS:

• Steve Deering: Explore the architectural implications of IESG thinking behind “volume” area (joint with key IESG members). Share insights with rest of IAB.

OLD ACTION ITEMS:

• John Klensin: Create small task team to consider how IETF policies and procedures might be changed to overcome perception and reality of being slow.
  • Ongoing.
• Brian Carpenter: Arrange “middle boxes” IAB workshop.
  • Ongoing. See below.
• Harald Alvestrand: Arrange “International Internet” IAB workshop. Fred Baker, Randy Bush, John Klensin… site committee.
  • Ongoing. See below.
• Henning Schulzrinne: Telephony Services PSTN interworking draft as an IAB document.
  • Ongoing.
• Rob Austein and Brian Carpenter: Review and potentially update RFC 1958.
  • Ongoing.

IAB DRAFTS IN PROGRESS:

• Geoff Huston: QOS
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-qos-01.txt
  • Published RFC 2990.
• Ran Atkinson: Security considerations, including common security attacks.
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rescorla-sec-cons-01.txt
  • Ongoing. Will go to IESG for review in January.
• Harald Alvestrand: Directory definitions.
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-alvestrand-directory-defs-00.txt
  • Ongoing. New draft sent to list.
• Tony Hain: NAT/VPN
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-nat-implications-07.txt
  • Published RFC 2993.
• Steve Bellovin: Applicability statement for security building blocks.
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iab-secmech-01.txt
  • Ongoing.
• Brian Carpenter: Wireless workshop report.
  http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-wirelessws-00.txt
  • Published RFC 3002.

NOTES:

1. review actions

see above

2. review drafts in progress

see above

3. administrivia

New meeting time: second Tuesday of the month, 3-5 PM US East Coast time.

4. Bernstein appeal

Consensus achieved on wording of initial response.

5. IAB administration, secretariat, and Exec Dir

One long-term possibility is that the IETF secretariat takes on this role. Still looking for near-term solution.

6. PSO-PC membership and nominations

Nomcomm is willing to fill the PC seats, but not until after IAB and IESG nominations are settled.

7. 3GPP liaison

Working with 3GPP appears to be an opportunity for us to do architecture in advance, rather than have to clean up messes after the fact.

Internet draft has been posted outlining liaison between IETF and 3GPP. Time is short–review right away.

8. Internationalization workshop

Preliminary small-group meeting in New York resulted in several drafts. Will target a workshop between Spring and Summer IETF meetings.

9. Middle-box workshop

Preference to leave on hold until after Spring IETF. Instead, hold a well-prepared BOF at next IETF.

10. New “volume” area — sub-IP layers

Short version of what IESG is motivated by and trying to accomplish: 134 MPLS drafts, without any overall structure. Goal is to develop taxonomy in CCAM to define bins (e.g., restoration, talking to routing, measurement) for which broadly-applicable solutions may be developed.

Some sound bites from discussion:

“At the very top level, the IETF is about making the Internet work. Controlling the sub-IP layers piecemeal has caused a nightmare; trying to do this in a coherent way is a good thing.”

“We have a dozen tunneling protocols. With hindsight, once upon a time someone should have defined a tunnel framework that could be customized in various ways.”

11. Discussion/ plan for Wednesday presentations

• RFC Editor Report
• ITU
• Highlights of recent IAB activities and documents–John Klensin
• QOS–Geoff Huston
• Firewalls–invite Ned Freed
• NAT–Tony Hain

12. Review/ discussion of IETF processes

Almost 10 years since the IETF has seriously examined the way it operates. Issues identified by Brian:

we are too slow

we lack focus

the IESG is too picky

the IESG is opaque

herding cats

the disconnect from the operators

money

IAB and IESG spend too much time on political sludge

IAB doesn’t do enough architecture
Brian will circulate a note with a view to taking the discussion to POISSON in due course.

13. Technical Discussion

Review of current technical issues and hot topics — impact of wireless/IP convergence on applications and routing, BGP/routing crisis, middleboxes.

These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib <weinrib@intel.com>. An online copy of these and other minutes are available at http://www.iab.org/documents/IABmins. Also, visit the IAB Web page at http://www.iab.org/iab.