INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) 
Minutes of the November 19, 2009 IESG Teleconference 

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat 

ATTENDEES
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Jari Arkko (Ericsson) / Internet Area 
Ron Bonica (Juniper Networks) / Operations and Management Area 
Ross Callon (Juniper Network) / Routing Area
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA liaison 
Ralph Droms (Cisco) / Internet Area 
Lisa Dusseault (Linden Labs) / Applications Area 
Lars Eggert (Nokia) / Transport Area
Pasi Eronen (Nokia) / Security Area
Russ Housley (Vigil Security, LLC) / IETF Chair, General Area 
Cullen Jennings (Cisco) / Real-time App. and Infra. Area
John Leslie / Scribe
Alexey Melnikov (Isode Limited) / Applications Area 
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Tim Polk (NIST) / Security Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Marshall Eubanks (Multicast Tech) / Scribe 
Adrian Farrel (Huawei) / Routing Area
Sandy Ginoza (ISI) / RFC Editor liaison  
Olaf Kolkman (NLnet Labs) / IAB Chair 
Dave Oran (Cisco) / IAB Liaison
Ray Pelletier (ISOC) / IAD 
Dan Romascanu (Avaya) / Operations and Management Area
Robert Sparks (Tekelec) / Real-time App. and Infra. Area

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 

1.1 Approval of the Minutes 

The minutes of the October 22, 2009 Teleconference were approved.  
The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 

The narrative minutes of the October 22, 2009 Teleconference were  
Approved.  The Secretariat will place the narrative minutes in the  
public archives. 

1.2 Documents Approved since the October 22, 2009 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions 
  o draft-ietf-avt-rtcpssm-19.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-dime-nai-routing-04.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-resumption-09.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mext-binding-revocation-14.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-3209-patherr-06.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-tp-gach-dcn-06.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-mpls-tp-nm-req-06.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-nea-pa-tnc-06.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-partial-lock-11.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pkix-ta-format-04.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-rmt-pi-alc-revised-10.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-sip-connect-reuse-14.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-sip-eku-08.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-peterson-rai-rfc3427bis-04.txt (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-wilde-sms-uri-20.txt (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions 
  o draft-ietf-eai-pop-09.txt (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-hip-nat-traversal-09.txt (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2-ipv6-config-03.txt (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-msec-tesla-for-alc-norm-10.txt (Experimental)
  o draft-ietf-rtgwg-ipfrr-framework-13.txt (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-smime-new-asn1-07.txt (Informational)
  o draft-templin-ranger-09.txt (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items 

DONE:
  o Russ Housley to work with the Secretariat to come up with an 
    implementation plan for tracking changes to working group 
    charters.

DELETED: 
  NONE

IN PROGRESS: 
  o Magnus Westerlund to draft an IESG Statement on BCP 32.  
  o Lisa Dusseault to investigate the request to add a new Atom Link 
    Relation type for the PubSubHubbub protocol and report back at the 
    next telechat (December 3, 2009).  If the requesters do not 
    respond, IANA advises to let it go as neither Lisa or IANA have 
    gotten a response.
  o Lars Eggert and Ron Bonica to propose text for determining when one 
    document updates another.

NEW
  o Jari Arkko to find an expert for eapsimaka-numbers (RFC 4187) [IANA 
    #276892].

2. Protocol Actions
2.1 WG Submissions
2.1.1 New Item
  o draft-ietf-syslog-sign-28.txt
    Signed syslog Messages (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 7 
    Token: Pasi Eronen

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Lars Eggert, Cullen Jennings, Alexey Melnikov, Tim 
Polk, Dan Romascanu and Robert Sparks.*

  o draft-ietf-mboned-rfc3171bis-07.txt
    IANA Guidelines for IPv4 Multicast Address Assignments (BCP) - 2 of 
    7 
    Token: Ron Bonica

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Cullen Jennings.*

  o draft-ietf-6man-overlap-fragment-03.txt
    Handling of overlapping IPv6 fragments (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 7 
    Token: Jari Arkko

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Adrian Farrel and Dan Romascanu.*

  o draft-ietf-pkix-authorityclearanceconstraints-03.txt
    Clearance Attribute and Authority Clearance Constraints Certificate 
    Extension (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 7 
    Token: Tim Polk

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Adrian Farrel and Dan Romascanu.*

  o draft-ietf-dna-simple-11.txt
    Simple procedures for Detecting Network Attachment in IPv6 
    (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 7 
    Token: Jari Arkko

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ralph Droms.*

  o draft-ietf-mmusic-connectivity-precon-06.txt
    Connectivity Preconditions for Session Description Protocol Media 
    Streams (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 7 
    Token: Cullen Jennings

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alexey Melnikov, Tim Polk and Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-forces-sctptml-06.txt
    SCTP based TML (Transport Mapping Layer) for ForCES protocol 
    (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 7 
    Token: Ross Callon

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Lars Eggert, Adrian Farrel, Dan Romascanu and Magnus 
Westerlund.*

2.1.2 Returning Item
  o draft-ietf-mipshop-pfmipv6-10.txt
    Fast Handovers for Proxy Mobile IPv6 (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 2 
    Token: Jari Arkko

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Ralph Droms, Lars Eggert, Pasi Eronen and Russ 
Housley.*

  o draft-ietf-l3vpn-2547bis-mcast-bgp-08.txt
    BGP Encodings and Procedures for Multicast in MPLS/BGP IP VPNs 
    (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 2 
    Token: Ross Callon

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Tim Polk.*

2.2 Individual Submissions
2.2.1 New Item
    NONE

2.2.2 Returning Item
    NONE

3. Document Actions
3.1 WG Submissions
3.1.1 New Item
  o draft-ietf-ccamp-mpls-graceful-shutdown-12.txt
    Graceful Shutdown in MPLS and Generalized MPLS Traffic Engineering 
    Networks (Informational) - 1 of 3 
    Token: Adrian Farrel

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Dan Romascanu.*

  o draft-ietf-bmwg-ipsec-term-12.txt
    Terminology for Benchmarking IPsec Devices (Informational) - 2 of 3 
    Token: Ron Bonica

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Pasi Eronen, Adrian Farrel and Russ Housley.*

  o draft-ietf-bmwg-ipsec-meth-05.txt
    Methodology for Benchmarking IPsec Devices (Informational) - 3 of 3 
    Token: Ron Bonica

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Pasi Eronen and Adrian Farrel.*

3.1.2 Returning Item
    NONE

3.2 Individual Submissions Via AD
3.2.1 New Item
  o draft-turner-deviceowner-attribute-02.txt
    Device Owner Attribute (Informational) - 1 of 4 
    Token: Tim Polk

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Pasi Eronen and Alexey Melnikov.*

  o draft-turner-clearancesponsor-attribute-02.txt
    Clearance Sponsor Attribute (Informational) - 2 of 4 
    Token: Tim Polk

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Pasi Eronen.*

  o draft-carpenter-renum-needs-work-04.txt
    Renumbering still needs work (Informational) - 3 of 4 
    Token: Dan Romascanu

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko and Ralph Droms.*

  o draft-melnikov-sasl-scram-ldap-04.txt
    LDAP schema for storing SCRAM secrets (Informational) - 4 of 4 
    Token: Pasi Eronen

Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion.  The 
document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send an 
individual submission Document Action Announcement that includes an RFC 
Editor Note prepared by Pasi Eronen.

3.2.2 Returning Item
    NONE

3.3 Independent Submissions Via RFC Editor
3.3.1 New Item
  o draft-nsri-aria-03.txt
    A Description of the ARIA Encryption Algorithm (Informational) - 1 
    of 1 
    Token: Russ Housley

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Editor that includes an RFC Editor Note prepared by Russ Housley.

3.3.2 Returning Item
  o draft-levy-sip-diversion-10.txt
    Diversion Indication in SIP (Historic) - 1 of 1 
    Token: Robert Sparks

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Jari Arkko and Cullen Jennings.*

3.3.3 For Action
  o draft-mavrogiannopoulos-rfc5081bis-03.txt
    Using OpenPGP Keys for Transport Layer Security (TLS) 
    Authentication Extensions (Experimental) - 1 of 1 
    Token: Russ Housley

The document was assigned to Pasi Eronen for 3932 review.

4. Working Group Actions
4.1 WG Creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF Review
  o HTTP State Management Mechanism (http-state) - 1 of 1
    Token: Lisa Dusseault

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review with the acronym 
"httpstate."  The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with 
a separate message to new-work@ietf.org.  The Secretariat will place 
the WG on the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference (December 3, 
2009).

4.1.2 Proposed for Approval
  o Internet Area Working Group (intarea) - 1 of 1
    Token: Jari Arkko

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending 
addition of chairs and edits to the text of the charter to be provided 
by Jari Arkko.  The Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.

4.2 WG Rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF Review
    NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for Approval
  o Handover Keying (hokey) - 1 of 1
    Token: Tim Polk

The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group.  The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 

5. IAB News We can use

6. Management Issue

6.1 Approval of expert reviewer for registries defined in RFC 2425 
(Alexey Melnikov)

The management issue was discussed.  The IESG approved Kurt Zeilenga 
(kurt.zeilenga@isode.com) as the expert reviewer for registries defined 
in RFC 2425.

 6.2 Expert for eapsimaka-numbers (RFC 4187) [IANA #276892] (Michelle 
Cotton)

The management issue was discussed.  The IESG approved Vesa Lehtovirta 
(vesa.lehtovirta@ericsson.com) as the expert for eapsimaka-numbers (RFC 
4187) pending his acceptance of the appointment.

Action item: Jari Arkko to find an expert for eapsimaka-numbers (RFC 
4187) [IANA #276892]

 6.3 WG Chair Change (Cullen Jennings)

The management issue was discussed.  Cullen plans to add an additional 
chair to the ENUM working group.

 6.4 Problem with draft-ietf-avt-seed-srtp (Cullen Jennings)

The management issue was discussed.

 6.5 IPR on draft-ietf-sip-session-policy-framework (Cullen Jennings)

The management issue was discussed.

 6.6 Note requesting feedback on IAOC candidate (Russ Housley)

The management issue was discussed.  Russ will send a request for 
comments on the IAOC candidate out to the community today.

 6.7 LISP WG Chairs (Jari Arkko)

The management issue was discussed.

7. Working Group News

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