The I2NSF Working Group (with all IPsec people invited) will meet on Wednesday, September 6th from 16:00 to 17:20 UTC/GMT Webex details pasted below the agenda. Agenda (times in GMT): 16:00 - Welcome, Note Well and Agenda Bashing 16:10 - Uses of IPsec (Paul W) 16:15 - Scope of draft-abad (Gabriel/Rafa) 16:20 - Open discussion about scope. 16:50 - Against IPsec without IKE (Tero) 16:55 - The case for IPsec without IKE (Gabriel/Rafa) 17:00 - Open discussion 17:20 - Conclusion and next steps. Join WebEx meeting: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mf8aabd83c7e6e754c58e8a4d52a89019 Meeting number (access code): 642 733 681 Host key: 121744 Meeting password: P5B3DUCM Join by phone 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Toll-free calling restrictions: https://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf Can't join the meeting? Contact support. https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/mc IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. You should inform all meeting attendees prior to recording if you intend to record the meeting.