INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Minutes of the January 10, 2019 IESG Teleconference Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES --------------------------------- Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) / Operations and Management Area Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area Ben Campbell (Oracle) / Applications and Real-Time Area Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison Spencer Dawkins (Wonder Hamster Internetworking) / Transport Area Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area Mirja Kuehlewind (ETH Zurich) / Transport Area Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area Terry Manderson (ICANN) / Internet Area Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Eric Rescorla (Mozilla) / Security Area Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area Jeff Tantsura (Apstra) / IAB Liaison Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat REGRETS --------------------------------- Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director OBSERVERS --------------------------------- Marie-Jose Montpetit MINUTES --------------------------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Approval of the Minutes The minutes of the December 20, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. The narrative minutes of the December 20, 2018 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 1.2 Documents Approved since the December 20, 2018 IESG Teleconference 1.2.1 Protocol Actions o draft-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format-10 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-dhc-dhcp4o6-saddr-opt-08 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint-active-tail-10 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint-19 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-regext-org-ext-11 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-regext-org-12 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-bfcpbis-rfc4583bis-27 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-18 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-acme-acme-18 (Proposed Standard) 1.2.2 Document Actions o draft-ietf-tcpinc-tcpcrypt-15 (Experimental) o draft-ietf-httpbis-expect-ct-08 (Experimental) 1.3 Review of Action Items DONE: o Alvaro Retana to follow up on discussion at IETF 103 about putting major discussion points and decisions in the IESG Wiki. o Alvaro Retana to follow up on how to document decisions made during face-to-face IESG conversations. o Alissa Cooper to follow up with Michelle Cotton and Barry Leiba to update RFC 8126 to detail what information should be included in the IANA Registry. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-acme-acme [IANA #1133797]. IN PROGRESS: o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 8411 [IANA #1120853]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6509 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121057]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6043 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121239]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6267 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121240]. o Eric Rescorla to find designated experts for RFC 6309 (mikey-payloads) [IANA #1121241]. o Alissa Cooper to draft text informing the community about the ongoing discussion with the WG chairs about community relations, including information about what avenues are open to community members for escalating issues. o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of scheduling conflicts. o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts experts for RFC 5435 [IANA #1132764]. o Benjamin Kaduk to find designated experts for RFC 6844 [IANA #1133642]. o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf [IANA #1133794]. o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session- signal [IANA #1133795]. o Warren Kumari to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns- capture-format [IANA #1133796]. NEW: o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Allison Mankin. o Alissa Cooper to send a message to the community about plenary transcripts for the Q&A sections of the plenary (IAB, LLC Board, and IESG). 2. Protocol actions 2.1 WG submissions 2.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-vpls-seamless-integ-05 - IETF stream (PBB-)EVPN Seamless Integration with (PBB-)VPLS (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 6 Token: Martin Vigoureux The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper.* o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-df-election-framework-07 - IETF stream Framework for EVPN Designated Forwarder Election Extensibility (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 6 Token: Martin Vigoureux The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-softwire-yang-14 - IETF stream YANG Modules for IPv4-in-IPv6 Address plus Port (A+P) Softwires (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 6 Token: Terry Manderson The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper and Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-extra-sieve-fcc-08 - IETF stream Sieve Extension: File Carbon Copy (Fcc) (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 6 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Ben Campbell.* o draft-ietf-nfsv4-mv0-trunking-update-03 - IETF stream NFS version 4.0 Trunking Update (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 6 Token: Spencer Dawkins The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-extra-sieve-special-use-04 - IETF stream Sieve Email Filtering: Delivering to Special-Use Mailboxes (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 6 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. 2.1.2 Returning items NONE 2.2 Individual submissions 2.2.1 New items o draft-arkko-trip-registry-update-01 - IETF stream Update to the TRIP IANA Registry Rules Regarding Postal Addresses (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 Token: Ben Campbell The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alexey Melnikov.* 2.2.2 Returning items NONE 2.3 Status changes 2.3.1 New items NONE 2.3.2 Returning items NONE 3. Document actions 3.1 WG submissions 3.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-rtgwg-spf-uloop-pb-statement-09 - IETF stream Link State protocols SPF trigger and delay algorithm impact on IGP micro-loops (Informational) - 1 of 2 Token: Martin Vigoureux The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement once Martin Vigoureux confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. o draft-ietf-v6ops-transition-ipv4aas-13 - IETF stream Requirements for IPv6 Customer Edge Routers to Support IPv4 Connectivity as-a-Service (Informational) - 2 of 2 Token: Warren Kumari The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Benjamin Kaduk, and Suresh Krishnan.* 3.1.2 Returning items NONE 3.2 Individual submissions via AD 3.2.1 New items NONE 3.2.2 Returning items NONE 3.3 Status changes 3.3.1 New items NONE 3.3.2 Returning items NONE 3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents 3.4.1 New items o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-ccnxmessages-00 IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxmessages draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxmessages-08 CCNx Messages in TLV Format (IRTF: Experimental) - 1 of 4 Token: Suresh Krishnan The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a conflict review response prepared by Suresh Krishnan. o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics-00 IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics-09 CCNx Semantics (IRTF: Experimental) - 2 of 4 Token: Suresh Krishnan The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a conflict review response prepared by Suresh Krishnan. Action item: Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Allison Mankin. o conflict-review-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv-01 IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv draft-irtf-cfrg-gcmsiv-09 AES-GCM-SIV: Nonce Misuse-Resistant Authenticated Encryption (IRTF: Informational) - 3 of 4 Token: Eric Rescorla Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a conflict review response prepared by Eric Rescorla. o conflict-review-mcgrew-hash-sigs-00 IETF conflict review for draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs draft-mcgrew-hash-sigs-15 Hash-Based Signatures (IRTF: Informational) - 4 of 4 Token: Eric Rescorla Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a conflict review response prepared by Eric Rescorla. 3.4.2 Returning items NONE 4. Working Group actions 4.1 WG creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for approval NONE 4.2 WG rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review NONE 4.2.2 Proposed for approval NONE 5. IAB news we can use 6. Management issues 6.1 [IANA #1132764] Designated experts for RFC 5435 (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC 5435 was assigned to Alexey Melnikov prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.2 Plenary Transcripts (Alissa Cooper) The management issue was discussed. Action item: Alissa Cooper to send a message to the community about plenary transcripts for the Q&A sections of the plenary (IAB, LLC Board, and IESG). 6.3 [IANA #1133642] Designated experts for RFC 6844 (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC 6844 was assigned to Benjamin Kaduk prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.4 [IANA #1133794] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf was assigned to Warren Kumari prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.5 [IANA #1133795] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-signal (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-session-signal was assigned to Warren Kumari prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.6 [IANA #1133796] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture- format (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-dnsop-dns-capture-format was assigned to Warren Kumari prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.7 [IANA #1133797] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-acme-acme (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Richard Barnes as the designated expert for RFC-ietf-acme-acme. 6.8 Common List of Nominees (Alvaro Retana) The management issue was discussed. 6.9 IANA Registry created by draft-ietf-dnsop-attrleaf (Benjamin Kaduk) The management issue was discussed. 7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.) 8. Tools Team Report -- 28 December 2018 1. Datatracker Projects - The merge plan was recently updated. -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan -- One thing to highlight is the recent addition of commands that will make it easier to load some portions of the database from a backup copy. These commands will make it easier to recover in the future from "over-eager" record deletion. - More that 1100 old RFCs show no authors in the Datatracker. This situation is because Datatracker is managing workflow, not trying to provide history from the beginning of time. For RFCs prior to about RFC 3000, the data is from scraping the RFC files, which are in mant different formats. Manual clean up would requires a good bit of time, and there are several cases where there is no right answer, such as RFC 2134 and RFC 2319. This leads to inaccurate statistics being displayed by the Datatracker. As a result, a disclaimer will be added to the statistics pages, such as https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/authors/?type=rfc. 2. Community & Other Projects - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MHonArc email archives. This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one copy of the archives in maildir format. Mail list discussion on the removal of the MHonArc email archives raised three points: -- The mailarch application serves the plaintext version of a multipart MIME messages; sometimes the HTML version is more useful, but it can also be an attack vector. -- The obsolete IE8 browser is not displaying mail archive content well. -- The mail archive tool allows export of selected messages in either maildir or mbox format after login. The login is required because multiple anonymous large exports creates a performance degradation. It might be possible to allow export of a small number of messages without being login in the future. 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Format contracts are on schedule: -- IDnits -- Publication Formatter -- Text Submission -- RFClint -- SVGcheck -- XMLdiff - These are all on schedule for initial versions by the end of 2018. 4. Server Infrastructure - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC. The ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our mail lists. Requirements were provided to the ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date. Alexey offered to help get a response from the developers. 5. YANG Catalog - Planning for the operation of the yangcatalog.org to be transferred to the IETF Secretariat is underway. Money for the transition is part of the IETF LLC budget for 2019. The current expectation is that will happen shortly after the new year. -- The open source code for yangcatalog.com uses the Apache 2.0 License. All other projects use the Simplified BSD License. The IETF Trust is willing to proceed with this project under the Apache 2.0 License. -- The registration for yangcatalog.com needs to be transferred to the IETF Trust before the site can move to a tools-team-driven maintenance model. -- Requirements for new features are being gathered. This will lead to a small project in early 2019. 6. Other Business - The IMAP server code that is provided by ISODE does not handle changed usernames well. A new release fixes this issue, and it was tested by the Secretariat. The update was installed prior to the holiday break. The bug was fixed, and the person reporting the bug has confirmed that it is working properly for them. - A draft Statement of Work for enhancements to the Datatracker meeting scheduling tools is being developed. We expect to put it out for bids in early 2019. - We are preparing the RFC Production Center code for publication as open source. Robert is writing a draft of Statement of Work for a security review of these tools in preparation for them becoming public. ----------------------------------------------- * Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.