INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Minutes of the April 11, 2019 IESG Teleconference Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES --------------------------------- Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) / Operations and Management Area Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Applications and Real-Time Area Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Alexa Morris (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area REGRETS --------------------------------- Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director OBSERVERS --------------------------------- Joe Hall Jason Livingood Greg Wood MINUTES --------------------------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Approval of the Minutes The minutes of the March 14, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. The narrative minutes of the March 14, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 1.2 Documents Approved since the March 14, 2019 IESG Teleconference 1.2.1 Protocol Actions o draft-ietf-mile-xmpp-grid-11 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-oauth-device-flow-15 (Proposed Standard) o draft-nottingham-rfc5785bis-11 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-sipcore-sip-push-29 (Proposed Standard) o draft-arkko-trip-registry-update-01 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-cbor-cddl-08 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-stir-passport-shaken-08 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-sipcore-reason-q850-loc-07 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-jmap-core-17 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-tram-stunbis-21 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-ipsecme-split-dns-17 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-payload-flexible-fec-scheme-19 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-pce-wson-rwa-ext-17 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-core-object-security-16 (Proposed Standard) 1.2.2 Document Actions o draft-ietf-dots-requirements-22 (Informational) o draft-ietf-calext-caldav-attachments-04 (Informational) o draft-ietf-mpls-sfc-encapsulation-04 (Informational) o draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-20 (Informational) 1.3 Review of Action Items DONE: o Alvaro Retana to send email to the IESG with proposed re-labeling of scheduling conflicts. o Suresh Krishnan to draft a new proposed IESG Statement on the procedure to reference material behind a paywall, that includes the existing text and adds comments from the discussion, Eric Rescorla, and Barry Leiba. o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to identify and catalogue common problematic and inappropriate behaviors from individuals in the IETF community both at in-person meetings and on email lists. o Roman Danyliw to provide an update for "IETF Notifications of Emerging Work" to Greg Wood. UPDATED: o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Colin Perkins. o Barry Leiba and Ben Campbell to write up text on the IESG's expectations regarding conflicts of interest and the disclosure of funding sources. o Benjamin Kaduk to identify designated experts for RFC 5580 [IANA #1139586]. REMOVED: o Suresh Krishnan to report on the progress of the response to the Liaison Statement on "Request to update the IoT and SC&C Standards Roadmap and the list of contact points." o Alissa Cooper to work on a response plan for the Liaison Statement "LS on RoHC utilization for Ethernet header compression." IN PROGRESS: o Alissa to draft a revision to the Meeting Room Policy and communicate it to the LLC Board. NEW: o Barry Leiba and Roman Danyliw to summarize the discussion on common problematic behaviors. o Suresh Krishnan to follow up on proposed IESG Statement on the procedure to reference material behind a paywall. 2. Protocol actions 2.1 WG submissions 2.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-19 - IETF stream Segment Routing with MPLS data plane (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 16 Token: Martin Vigoureux The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Alvaro Retana.* o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-pause-extension-06 - IETF stream DLEP Control Plane Based Pause Extension (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 16 Token: Alvaro Retana The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Mirja Kuehlewind, and Magnus Westerlund.* o draft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-25 - IETF stream SDP-based Data Channel Negotiation (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 16 Token: Adam Roach The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw and Magnus Westerlund.* o draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions-14 - IETF stream PCEP extensions for GMPLS (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 16 Token: Deborah Brungard The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Martin Vigoureux.* o draft-ietf-ccamp-rsvp-te-bandwidth-availability-14 - IETF stream Ethernet Traffic Parameters with Availability Information (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 16 Token: Deborah Brungard The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Adam Roach, and Magnus Westerlund.* o draft-ietf-bess-bgp-vpls-control-flags-07 - IETF stream Updated processing of Control Flags for BGP VPLS (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 16 Token: Martin Vigoureux The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Martin Vigoureux confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. o draft-ietf-extra-imap-fetch-preview-03 - IETF stream IMAP4 Extension: Message Preview Generation (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 16 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba.* o draft-ietf-ccamp-alarm-module-08 - IETF stream YANG Alarm Module (Proposed Standard) - 8 of 16 Token: Deborah Brungard The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Adam Roach.* o draft-ietf-iasa2-rfc4071bis-09 - IETF stream Structure of the IETF Administrative Support Activity, Version 2.0 (Best Current Practice) - 9 of 16 Token: Alissa Cooper The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Alissa Cooper. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. o draft-ietf-iasa2-consolidated-upd-07 - IETF stream Consolidated IASA 2.0 Updates of IETF Administrative Terminology (Best Current Practice) - 10 of 16 Token: Alissa Cooper The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. The Secretariat will add rfc3710 (Informational - IETF stream) and rfc6702 (Informational - IETF stream) to the downref registry. o draft-ietf-dnsop-algorithm-update-09 - IETF stream Algorithm Implementation Requirements and Usage Guidance for DNSSEC (Proposed Standard) - 11 of 16 Token: Warren Kumari The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Warren Kumari confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-12 - IETF stream Path Computation Element (PCE) Protocol Extensions for Stateful PCE usage for Point-to-Multipoint Traffic Engineering Label Switched Paths (Proposed Standard) - 12 of 16 Token: Deborah Brungard The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-netmod-module-tags-07 - IETF stream YANG Module Tags (Proposed Standard) - 13 of 16 Token: Ignas Bagdonas The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Benjamin Kaduk, Alexey Melnikov, and Adam Roach.* o draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-algs-rfc8208-bis-04 - IETF stream BGPsec Algorithms, Key Formats, and Signature Formats (Proposed Standard) - 14 of 16 Token: Warren Kumari The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alexey Melnikov and Adam Roach.* o draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-07 - IETF stream Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator (Proposed Standard) - 15 of 16 Token: Warren Kumari The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Warren Kumari. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. o draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-05 - IETF stream E-mail Authentication for Internationalized Mail (Proposed Standard) - 16 of 16 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* 2.1.2 Returning items NONE 2.2 Individual submissions 2.2.1 New items NONE 2.2.2 Returning items NONE 2.3 Status changes 2.3.1 New items NONE 2.3.2 Returning items NONE 3. Document actions 3.1 WG submissions 3.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15 - IETF stream CLUE Protocol data channel (Experimental) - 1 of 1 Token: Adam Roach The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement once Adam Roach confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. 3.1.2 Returning items NONE 3.2 Individual submissions via AD 3.2.1 New items o draft-hollenbeck-vcarddav-icann-rdap-extensions-00 - IETF stream vCard Format Extensions: Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) Extensions for the Registration Data Access Protocol (RDAP) (Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement. 3.2.2 Returning items NONE 3.3 Status changes 3.3.1 New items NONE 3.3.2 Returning items NONE 3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents 3.4.1 New items o conflict-review-irtf-cfrg-re-keying-00 IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-cfrg-re-keying draft-irtf-cfrg-re-keying-15 Re-keying Mechanisms for Symmetric Keys (IRTF: Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Benjamin Kaduk Alexey Melnikov formally recused himself from the discussion. The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that includes a conflict review response prepared by Benjamin Kaduk. 3.4.2 Returning items NONE 4. Working Group actions 4.1 WG creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for approval o Relay User Machine (rum) - 1 of 1 Area: ART (Adam Roach) The IESG approved the charter for the new working group. The Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement. 4.2 WG rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review o JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - 1 of 1 Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov) The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter. The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (May 2, 2019). 4.2.2 Proposed for approval NONE 5. IAB news we can use 6. Management issues 6.1 [IANA #1139586] Designated experts for RFC 5580 (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC 5580 was assigned to Benjamin Kaduk prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.2 Living Documents (Alissa Cooper) The management issue was discussed. 6.3 IESG Retreat Agenda (Alissa Cooper) The management issue was discussed. 6.4 IESG Approval of the MCPTT Off-Network Protocol (MONP) port request (3gpp-monp) for UDP [IANA #1127933] (Mirja Kuehlewind) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the MCPTT Off-Network Protocol (MONP) port request (3gpp-monp) for UDP [IANA #1127933]. 7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.) 8. Tools Team Report -- 30 March 2019 1. Datatracker Projects - The merge plan was recently updated. -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan -- The way the datatracker sends email was changed so that it will no longer appear to be spoofing the From field. -- Bids for Meeting Application Improvements were received and evaluated. A recommendation was provided to the Interim LLC Executive Director, and we believe that negotiations are underway. -- one thing to highlight is the increased the priority of the shift from Python 2 to Python 3. This increased priority is because Python 2 is being officially deprecated, and it will no longer receive maintenance starting January 2020. 2. Community & Other Projects - The Secretariat is blocked on deploying this latest website deliverable from Torchbox. Currently, the IETF server uses Apache (mod_wsgi) for python applications, but that only allows one version of python. The Datatracker and and Mail Archive use Python 2.7, but the current Wagtail release only supports Python 3. Robert Sparks is working with the Secretariat to figure out a reasonable way for Python 2 and Python 3 to be used at the same time. The plan is to eventually move everything to Python 3, but it will not happen in just a few weeks. 3. RFC Services Projects - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during IETF 104. The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-D in this format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the IETF stream. - The RFC Production Center is testing the tools related to the new format. A few additions are being made to IDnits under warranty. Since the RFC Production Center does not use IDnits, this is not impacting the test schedule. - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for the security review of tools used by the RFC Production Center. The tools used for the new format will be reviewed since the ones related to the old format are about to be put in mothballs. - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for rendering of errata in a more useful way. Some prototype efforts are informing this work. 4. Server Infrastructure - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC. The ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our mail lists. Requirements were provided to the ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date. Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers, but so far we are only getting silence. 5. YANG Catalog - Planning for the operation of the yangcatalog.org to be transferred to the IETF Secretariat is underway. A few significant things to highlight: -- The YANG Catalog support contractor participated in the IETF 104 Hackathon. -- The yangcatalog.org service will run on different hardware than ietf.org. It will be "in the cloud." This will allow the Tools Team to determine whether this is a useful management model for other IETF-related services. - The registration for yangcatalog.com needs to be transferred to the IETF Trust before the site can move to a Tools-Team-driven maintenance model. The domain name registrar account will be transfered to the Secretariat in early April 2019. ----------------------------------------------- * Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.