INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Minutes of the May 2, 2019 IESG Teleconference Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES --------------------------------- Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) / Operations and Management Area Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area Barry Leiba (Huawei) / Applications and Real-Time Area Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Alvaro Retana (Huawei) / Routing Area Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area REGRETS --------------------------------- Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director OBSERVERS --------------------------------- Andre Cedik Greg Wood MINUTES --------------------------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Approval of the Minutes The minutes of the April 11, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. The narrative minutes of the April 11, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 1.2 Documents Approved since the April 11, 2019 IESG Teleconference 1.2.1 Protocol Actions o draft-ietf-pce-stateful-pce-p2mp-13 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-ntp-bcp-13 (Best Current Practice) o draft-ietf-dmarc-eaiauth-06 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-algs-rfc8208-bis-05 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-mpls-lsp-ping-lag-multipath-08 (Proposed Standard) 1.2.2 Document Actions NONE 1.3 Review of Action Items DONE: o Alissa to draft a revision to the Meeting Room Policy and communicate it to the LLC Board. o Benjamin Kaduk to identify designated experts for RFC 5580 [IANA #1139586]. o Barry Leiba and Roman Danyliw to summarize the discussion on common problematic behaviors. o Suresh Krishnan to follow up on proposed IESG Statement on the procedure to reference material behind a paywall. o Alissa Cooper to draft text back to the proponents of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev to talk about the outcome of the discussion at the retreat. o Ignas Bagdonas to find designated experts for RFC 8520 [IANA #1141661]. o Adam Roach to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-sipcore-sip-push [IANA #1141663]. IN PROGRESS: o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Colin Perkins. o Barry Leiba and Ben Campbell to write up text on the IESG's expectations regarding conflicts of interest and the disclosure of funding sources. o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups. o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on substate change for documents in AD Evaluation. o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures on how to assign triage resources. o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also). o Warren Kumari and Ted Hardie to write a document on Implementation Target Sets (aka Living Documents). o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to draft a starting point for the discussion on setting expectations with the WG Chairs in reference to responses to inappropriate or unacceptable behaviors. o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series of Informal Telechats. o Alissa Cooper and Alexa Morris to put together a Doodle Poll for possible dates and cost effective places for a second IESG retreat. o All IESG to coordinate with their co-ADs and send a list of specific "hot topic" items that should be checked. The list to be provided for document authors. o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them understand the rules for the NomCom. o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past chairs). o Eric Vyncke to draft text for a more coherent BoF Proposal for MEDIA OPS and add to the BoF Wiki. o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion with the community. o Warren Kumari, Alvaro Retana, and Mirja Kuehlewind with Spencer Dawkins to continue discussion of the next Deep Dive topic for IETF 105. o Suresh Krishnan to update the text for material behind a paywall to update the reference to section 7.1; update the document shepherd writeup; and draft text for a possible IESG statement to circulate with the WG Chairs. o Alexey Melnikov, Warren Kumari, and Suresh Krishnan to work with the authors of draft-moonesamy-recall-rev on next steps. o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object- security [IANA #1141664]. NEW: o Alissa to report back on the discussion about the Meeting Room Policy at LLC Board retreat. o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG Chairs. 2. Protocol actions 2.1 WG submissions 2.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-25 - IETF stream Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 7 Token: Alvaro Retana The document was deferred to the next IESG teleconference (May 16, 2019) by Suresh Krishnan. o draft-ietf-manet-dlep-multi-hop-extension-06 - IETF stream DLEP Multi-Hop Forwarding Extension (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 7 Token: Alvaro Retana The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw.* o draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31 - IETF stream Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 7 Token: Benjamin Kaduk Roman Danyliw formally recused himself from the discussion. The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Suresh Krishnan, Mirja Kuehlewind, Alexey Melnikov, and Adam Roach.* o draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-28 - IETF stream Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel Specification (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 7 Token: Benjamin Kaduk Roman Danyliw formally recused himself from the discussion. The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Suresh Krishnan, Mirja Kuehlewind, and Alexey Melnikov.* o draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-25 - IETF stream Subscription to YANG Event Notifications (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 7 Token: Ignas Bagdonas The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Magnus Westerlund.* o draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-23 - IETF stream Subscription to YANG Datastores (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 7 Token: Ignas Bagdonas The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-core-multipart-ct-03 - IETF stream Multipart Content-Format for CoAP (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 7 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* 2.1.2 Returning items NONE 2.2 Individual submissions 2.2.1 New items o draft-housley-hkdf-oids-01 - IETF stream Algorithm Identifiers for the HMAC-based Extract-and-Expand Key Derivation Function (HKDF) (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 Token: Benjamin Kaduk The document was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send an individual submission Protocol Action Announcement. 2.2.2 Returning items NONE 2.3 Status changes 2.3.1 New items NONE 2.3.2 Returning items NONE 3. Document actions 3.1 WG submissions 3.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-06 - IETF stream Use Cases for Localized Versions of the RPKI (Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Warren Kumari The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Mirja Kuehlewind.* 3.1.2 Returning items NONE 3.2 Individual submissions via AD 3.2.1 New items NONE 3.2.2 Returning items NONE 3.3 Status changes 3.3.1 New items NONE 3.3.2 Returning items NONE 3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents 3.4.1 New items o conflict-review-nottingham-safe-hint-00 IETF conflict review for draft-nottingham-safe-hint draft-nottingham-safe-hint-09 The "safe" HTTP Preference (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Barry Leiba The conflict review remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind and Alvaro Retana.* 3.4.2 Returning items NONE 3.4.3 For action NONE 4. Working Group actions 4.1 WG creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for approval NONE 4.2 WG rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review o Autonomic Networking Integrated Model and Approach (anima) - 1 of 2 Area: OPS (Ignas Bagdonas) The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper and Martin Vigoureux.* o Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME (lamps) - 2 of 2 Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw) The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter. The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (May 16, 2019). 4.2.2 Proposed for approval o JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - 1 of 1 Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov) The IESG approved the revised charter for the working group. The Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement. 5. IAB news we can use 6. Management issues 6.1 [IANA #1137877] Upcoming Parameter Expiration: Early IANA Allocation for RFC 8111 (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved a second renewal of the early allocations for RFC 8111. 6.2 [IANA #1141661] Designated experts for RFC 8520 (Ignas Bagdonas/ IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Eliot Lear and Dan Romascanu as the designated experts for RFC 8520. 6.3 [IANA #1141663] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-sipcore-sip-push (Adam Roach/IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Christer Holmberg as the designated expert for RFC-ietf-sipcore-sip-push. 6.4 [IANA #1141664] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-security (IANA) The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object-security was assigned to Alexey Melnikov prior to the start of the teleconference. 6.5 [IANA #1139586] Designated experts for RFC 5580 (Benjamin Kaduk) The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Alan DeKok and Mohit Sethi as the designated experts for RFC 5580. 6.6 [IANA #1137011] Listing RFC 6281 as service name reference (IANA) The management issue was discussed. 7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.) 8. Tools Team Report -- 29 April 2019 1. Datatracker Projects - The plan was recently updated. -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN -- Bids for Meeting Application Improvements were received and evaluated, and then the Interim LLC Executive Director negotiated a contract. Work will begin shortly. -- An RFP for IRSG balloting was just released. Proposals are due on 16 May 2019, and we expect work to begin in June. -- One thing to highlight is the increased the priority of the transition from Python 2 to Python 3. This increased priority is because Python 2 is being officially deprecated, and it will not receive maintenance starting January 2020. 2. Community & Other Projects - The Secretariat deployed the latest website deliverable from Torchbox. This uncovered a mess with redirects between Wagtail and Apache. Glen Barney from the Secretariat IT staff will begin a significant clean up effort today; it should finish tomorrow. 3. RFC Services Projects - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during IETF 104. The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds in this new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the IETF stream. - The RFC Production Center is testing the tools related to the new format. - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for the security review of tools used by the RFC Production Center. The tools used for the new format will be reviewed since the ones related to the old format are about to be put in mothballs. - Bids for tools for rendering errata in a more useful way were received last week, and they are being evaluated right now. We expect a contract to be negotiated in May 2019, and then work to begin the same month. 4. Server Infrastructure - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC. The ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our mail lists. Requirements were provided to the ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date. Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers, but so far we are only getting silence. This has not changed in many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever. 5. YANG Catalog - Operation of the yangcatalog.org was to transferred to the IETF Secretariat. A few significant things to highlight: -- A YANG Catalog support contractor is under contract. -- The yangcatalog.org service is running on different hardware than ietf.org. It will be "in the cloud." This will allow the Tools Team to determine whether this is a useful management model for other IETF-related services. - The registration for yangcatalog.com has been transferred to the IETF Trust. ----------------------------------------------- * Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.