INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG) Minutes of the May 30, 2019 IESG Teleconference Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat ATTENDEES --------------------------------- Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area REGRETS --------------------------------- Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) / Operations and Management Area Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area Portia Wenze-Danley (ISOC) / Interim LLC Executive Director OBSERVERS --------------------------------- Adrian Farrel Greg Wood MINUTES --------------------------------- 1. Administrivia 1.1 Approval of the Minutes The minutes of the May 16, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. The narrative minutes of the May 16, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives. 1.2 Documents Approved since the May 16, 2019 IESG Teleconference 1.2.1 Protocol Actions o draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-mpls-22 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-netconf-yang-push-25 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-netconf-netconf-event-notifications-22 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg-28 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications-26 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-payload-flexible-fec-scheme-20 (Proposed Standard) o draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying-06 (Proposed Standard) 1.2.2 Document Actions o draft-wilde-service-link-rel-10 (Informational) 1.3 Review of Action Items DONE: o Suresh Krishnan to discuss naming experts for the registries created by draft-irtf-icnrg-ccnxsemantics with Colin Perkins. o Barry Leiba to write up text on the IESG's expectations regarding conflicts of interest and the disclosure of funding sources. o Suresh Krishnan to update the text for material behind a paywall to update the reference to section 7.1; update the document shepherd writeup; and draft text for a possible IESG statement to circulate with the WG Chairs. o Alissa to report back on the discussion about the Meeting Room Policy at LLC Board retreat. o Warren Kumari and Ted Hardie to write a document on Implementation Target Sets (aka Living Documents). IN PROGRESS: o Ignas Bagdonas to propose an additional question on YANG Model format validation for each of the styles of document write-ups. o Roman Danyliw to talk to the tools team to reset the counters on substate change for documents in AD Evaluation. o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures on how to assign triage resources. o Suresh Krishnan to write a document on replacing the "updates" with new terminology (amends/amended by; extends/extended by; see also). o Roman Danyliw and Barry Leiba to draft a starting point for the discussion on setting expectations with the WG Chairs in reference to responses to inappropriate or unacceptable behaviors. o Martin Vigoureux to work with the IESG to create a list of possible IESG Tutorials and will prioritize them for scheduling on a series of Informal Telechats. o All IESG to coordinate with their co-ADs and send a list of specific "hot topic" items that should be checked. The list to be provided for document authors. o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them understand the rules for the NomCom. o Suresh Krishnan to write up a NomCom Chair BCP (work with past chairs). o Eric Vyncke to draft text for a more coherent BoF Proposal for MEDIA OPS and add to the BoF Wiki. o Roman Danyliw to shepherd the www.ietf.org analytics discussion with the community. o Warren Kumari, Alvaro Retana, and Mirja Kuehlewind with Spencer Dawkins to continue discussion of the next Deep Dive topic for IETF 105. o Alexey Melnikov, Warren Kumari, and Suresh Krishnan to work with the authors of the recall draft on next steps. o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-core-object- security [IANA #1141664]. o Alvaro Retana to finalize the proposal for relabeling the IETF Meeting Agenda Conflicts, and discuss the proposal with the WG Chairs. o Alissa Cooper and Alexa Morris to take the results of the doodle poll for a second 2019 IESG retreat (possibly combined with the IAB) and look at cost effective places. o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8554 [IANA #1142796]. o Adam Roach to facilitate the discussion on WG Meeting Structure, related to alternate room layouts and the facilitation of discussion. NEW: o Ted to write up use cases and requirements for Implementation Target Sets for a future IESG discussion (preliminary date for discussion: June 20, 2019 Informal Telechat). 2. Protocol actions 2.1 WG submissions 2.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-pim-igmp-mld-yang-14 - IETF stream A YANG Data Model for Internet Group Management Protocol (IGMP) and Multicast Listener Discovery (MLD) (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 7 Token: Alvaro Retana The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Alvaro Retana. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement. o draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-29 - IETF stream Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 7 Token: Alvaro Retana The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Alvaro Retana confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. o draft-ietf-acme-caa-07 - IETF stream CAA Record Extensions for Account URI and ACME Method Binding (Proposed Standard) - 3 of 7 Token: Roman Danyliw The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk, Warren Kumari, and Barry Leiba.* o draft-ietf-calext-eventpub-extensions-13 - IETF stream Event Publishing Extensions to iCalendar (Proposed Standard) - 4 of 7 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, and Barry Leiba.* o draft-ietf-lamps-rfc6844bis-06 - IETF stream DNS Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Resource Record (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 7 Token: Roman Danyliw The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action Announcement once Roman Danyliw confirms that the announcement is ready to be sent. o draft-ietf-mmusic-rfc4566bis-35 - IETF stream SDP: Session Description Protocol (Proposed Standard) - 6 of 7 Token: Adam Roach The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, and Barry Leiba.* o draft-ietf-tsvwg-tinymt32-03 - IETF stream TinyMT32 Pseudo Random Number Generator (PRNG) (Proposed Standard) - 7 of 7 Token: Magnus Westerlund The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw and Adam Roach.* 2.1.2 Returning items o draft-ietf-tsvwg-rlc-fec-scheme-14 - IETF stream Sliding Window Random Linear Code (RLC) Forward Erasure Correction (FEC) Schemes for FECFRAME (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 1 Token: Magnus Westerlund The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Roman Danyliw.* 2.2 Individual submissions 2.2.1 New items NONE 2.2.2 Returning items NONE 2.3 Status changes 2.3.1 New items NONE 2.3.2 Returning items NONE 3. Document actions 3.1 WG submissions 3.1.1 New items o draft-ietf-lamps-hash-of-root-key-cert-extn-05 - IETF stream Hash Of Root Key Certificate Extension (Informational) - 1 of 2 Token: Roman Danyliw The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.* o draft-ietf-sipbrandy-osrtp-09 - IETF stream An Opportunistic Approach for Secure Real-time Transport Protocol (OSRTP) (Informational) - 2 of 2 Token: Alexey Melnikov The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Document Action Announcement. 3.1.2 Returning items NONE 3.2 Individual submissions via AD 3.2.1 New items NONE 3.2.2 Returning items NONE 3.3 Status changes 3.3.1 New items NONE 3.3.2 Returning items NONE 3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents 3.4.1 New items o conflict-review-kanugovi-intarea-mams-framework-00 IETF conflict review for draft-kanugovi-intarea-mams-framework draft-kanugovi-intarea-mams-framework-03 Multiple Access Management Services (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 2 Token: Suresh Krishnan The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response prepared by Suresh Krishnan. o conflict-review-jenkins-cnsa-cmc-profile-00 IETF conflict review for draft-jenkins-cnsa-cmc-profile draft-jenkins-cnsa-cmc-profile-05 Commercial National Security Algorithm (CNSA) Suite Profile of Certificate Management over CMS (ISE: Informational) - 2 of 2 Token: Benjamin Kaduk The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response prepared by Benjamin Kaduk, pending a final check to be completed by Benjamin Kaduk. 3.4.2 Returning items o conflict-review-nottingham-safe-hint-01 IETF conflict review for draft-nottingham-safe-hint draft-nottingham-safe-hint-09 The "safe" HTTP Preference (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 1 Token: Barry Leiba The conflict review remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve points raised by Mirja Kuehlewind.* 4. Working Group actions 4.1 WG creation 4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review NONE 4.1.2 Proposed for approval NONE 4.2 WG rechartering 4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review NONE 4.2.2 Proposed for approval NONE 5. IAB news we can use 6. Management issues 6.1 [IANA #1143383] Management Item: Acceptance of media type registration from standards organization National Center for Geospatial Intelligence Standards (NCGIS) (IANA) The management issue was discussed. The IESG asks IANA to process these media-type requests, but to not add this organization to the 'Standards- related organizations that have registered Media Types in the Standards Tree.' 6.2 Cross Area SEC Protocol Work (Roman Danyliw) The management issue was discussed in an executive session. 7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.) 8. Tools Team Report -- 26 May 2019 1. Datatracker Projects - The plan was recently updated. -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN -- One thing to highlight is the increased the priority of the transition from Python 2 to Python 3. This increased priority is because Python 2 is being officially deprecated, and it will not receive maintenance starting January 2020. - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to IOLA. Work will begin shortly. - An RFP for IRSG balloting was released and then the period to bid was extended to 4 June 2019. We expect work to begin in June 2019. 2. Community & Other Projects - The latest website deliverable from Torchbox is complete, including the cleanup of messy redirects between Wagtail and Apache. - Handling of 404 on the Wagtail website was improved, avoiding some problems that could occur with dynamic links. - The Tools Team and the Secretariat are working on a plan for the best way to handle static plaintext pages, such as appeals, appeal responses, and implementation reports. Current thinking is to manage these outside Wagtail, but the discussion is still ongoing. 3. RFC Services Projects - Support for the v3 schema has been enabled for I-D submission, and now the IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds in the new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the IETF stream. - The RFC Production Center continues to test the new format tools. - The Tools Team has a Statement of Work for the security of the tools used by the RFC Production Center. The new format tools will be reviewed once the tools related to the old format are put in mothballs. - A contract for rendering errata in a more useful was awarded to Soaring Hawk Consulting; work began in May 2019. 4. Server Infrastructure - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC. The ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our mail lists. Requirements were provided to the ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date. Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers, but so far we are only getting silence. This has not changed in many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever. - The guides.ietf.org has been deployed in its own container. In a few weeks we expect to move it to hardware controlled by the Secretariat. This experiment is allowing the Tools Team to determine whether other services can be containerized and put "in the cloud". 5. YANG Catalog - Operation of the yangcatalog.org was to transferred to the IETF Secretariat. A few significant things to highlight: -- The yangcatalog.org service is running on different hardware than ietf.org; it is on a server in Canada. This placement is allowing the Tools Team to determine whether other services can be containerized and put "in the cloud". ----------------------------------------------- * Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.