# CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting | Date |Time | Local Times | |:------:|:-----------:|:------| |2021-09-28 |21:00 Amsterdam |[Time Converter](https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm)| | **Note** | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | ## Administrivia ### INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-07 **Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here** ### WEB CONFERENCE: https://whereby.com/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.) :::warning We are still on whereby.com for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. Please stay alert! ::: #### Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual * Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. * Please ask Spencer if you have questions. :::warning The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that's active now. Please bookmark the new one when you're redirected to it. ::: ### Logistics for Meeting #### 2021 virtual interim meeting dates * Please note our 2021 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ * October 26, 2021: 21:00 Paris (1900 UTC) * November 23, 2021: 21:00 Paris (2000 UTC) ## Agenda Items ### Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ #### Roll call Attendees * Spencer Dawkins * Regrets * ### News You Can Use #### Default dates for 2022 Cellar meetings * 2022-01-25 * 2022-02-22 * 2022-03-22 (but this is IETF 113) * 2022-04-26 * 2022-05-24 * 2022-06-28 * 2022-07-26 (but this is IETF 114) * 2022-08-23 * 2022-09-27 * 2022-10-25 * 2022-11-22 (this is Tuesday of American Thanksgiving - does anyone care?) * 2022-12-27 (but this is winter break for most of us) ### WG status update * draft-ietf-cellar-codec-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-07 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-tags-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists ### Milestone review: * Previous status: Almost all the Matroska issues have PRs waiting for reviews - 7 do not. Steve will work on this during the coming week, and then send a version for review (soon) (after the PRs are merged) * Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1. **ACTION** Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft. * Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) * FLAC still needs an editor to complete the work. Michael did hear back from Florin, and he's unable to serve as editor, so the working group has a decision to make about FLAC. ##### Discussion on the call * #### Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) * Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. ### Matroska issues - Discussion on the call * ### FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * ### FLAC issues - Discussion on the call * ## AOB? * :::success NEXT MEETING 2021-10-26 :tada: ::: ## Notes from previous meeting for approval # CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting | Date |Time | Local Times | |:------:|:-----------:|:------| |2021-08-24 |21:00 Amsterdam |[Time Converter](https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm)| | **Note** | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | ## Administrivia ### INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-07 **Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here** ### WEB CONFERENCE: https://whereby.com/cellar-interim THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.) #### Shared COMIMD for notetaking: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual * Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. * Please ask Spencer if you have questions. :::warning The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that's active now. Please bookmark the new one when you're redirected to it. ::: ### Logistics for Meeting #### 2021 virtual interim meeting dates * Please note our 2021 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ * IETF 112 will also be a fully online meeting (announced 2021-08-04), so **we will not be meeting face-to-face in Madrid, right?** Perhaps in early December, close to Amsterdam with a workshop on FFv1 and Matroska (also in person) More info at https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 * **ACTION:** Co-chairs to propose 2022 meeting schedule in September meeting, for information and comment. * September 28, 2021: 21:00 Paris (1900 UTC) * October 26, 2021: 21:00 Paris (1900 UTC) * November 23, 2021: 21:00 Paris (2000 UTC) ## Agenda Items ### Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ #### Roll call Attendees * Spencer Dawkins * Steve Lhomme * Michael Richardson * Jerome Martinez * Michael Neidermayer * Dave Rice Regrets * ### News You Can Use ### WG status update * draft-ietf-cellar-codec-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-20 was **PUBLISHED AS RFC 9043** * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-07 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-tags-06 was posted 2021-04-12, in ID Exists ### Milestone review: * Matroska maybe at the end of Summer 2021? It's closer than we thought * Is it worth publishing an update to ffv1-v4 that includes the goals we've discussed previously? * Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) * FLAC still needs an editor to complete the work. Michael did hear back from Florin, and he's unable to serve as editor, so the working group has a decision to make about FLAC. ##### Discussion on the call * Almost all the Matroska issues have PRs waiting for reviews - 7 do not. Steve will work on this during the coming week, and then send a version for review (soon) (after the PRs are merged) * Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1. **ACTION** Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. * We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft. #### Michael Richardson has asked to step down as co-chair for SOME WORKING GROUP, after years of service in this role. * This may be CELLAR, but also may not be. He's asked the ADs to pick one. * We need to have a conversation about succession planning. * Michael and Spencer are both IETF process resources, not technical resources - it would be good to have at least one of each. * We could be using document shepherds to develop talent, but they need to be involved with our work, on calls, etc. * Open call on the Cellar mailing list? Michael has reached out to individuals in the past - that worked with Matroska. * IETF working groups do not name their own leadership - that's an Area Director responsibity - but ADs make their best choices when they have all the information we can give them to make choices. #### Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) * Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. #### Follow-up on Possible switch to Meetecho for our calls ##### Discussion on previous calls * We discussed moving to Meetecho (from whereby.com) at the May meeting, and Spencer had an action to check on iOS and Android clients for Meetecho. * Spencer verified that Meetecho uses WebRTC, so should work with any browser, but does **not** currently have an iOS or Android client available. * Michael's experience is that Meetecho REALLY needs to run from a computer, and not a phone or tablet, just because you need a lot of screen real estate to keep track of queues, chats, and other stuff. ##### Discussion on the call * Is using a computer for Cellar interim meetings a dealbreaker for anyone? * None on the call ... * **ACTION** Spencer will request Meetecho for our September meeting. ### FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * Michael presented slides for https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/blob/master/ffv1-v4-goals.md at the IETF 111 Dispatch session. * https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/slides-111-dispatch-cellar-wg-overview-00 ### Matroska issues - Discussion on the call * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/532 "possible values" maybe "defined values"... * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/530 can be merged. * https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/437 ### FLAC issues - Discussion on the call * Were not discussed on the call ## AOB? * None noted, except that Spencer and Michael expressed their appreciation for the people in the working group! :::success NEXT MEETING 2021-09-28 :tada: :::