CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
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| 2021-09-28 |
21:00 Amsterdam |
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Administrivia
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-07
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
WEB CONFERENCE:
https://whereby.com/cellar-interim
THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.)
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Logistics for Meeting
2021 virtual interim meeting dates
Agenda Items
Roll call
Attendees
* Spencer Dawkins
* Dave Rice
* Michael Richardson
* Jerome Martinez
* Michael Niedermayer
* Steve Lhomme
* Martijn van Beurden
Regrets
* Reto Kromer
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News You Can Use
- NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - are Cellar people attending?
** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1.
** the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10.
Default dates for 2022 Cellar meetings
- 2022-01-25
- 2022-02-22
- 2022-03-22 (but this is IETF 113 - move it to 2022-03-29)
- 2022-04-26
- 2022-05-24
- 2022-06-28
- 2022-07-26 (but this is IETF 114 - we canceled July in 2021. Is canceling July the right summer month to cancel? Yes - we MIGHT be meeting in person, at the IETF, but too soon to know that yet)
- 2022-08-23
- 2022-09-27
- 2022-10-25
- 2022-11-22 (this is Tuesday of American Thanksgiving - does anyone care?)
- 2022-12-27 (but this is winter break for most of us, so we canceled in 2021. Maybe move it to 2022-12-06, or is that too close to the November meeting?
proposed final dates:
* 2022-01-25
* 2022-02-22
* 2022-03-29
* 2022-04-26
* 2022-05-24
* 2022-06-28
* 2022-08-23
* 2022-09-27
* 2022-10-25
* 2022-12-06
ACTION Spencer to confirm on mailing list
WG status update
Milestone review:
- Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.
- Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc)
- FLAC still needs an editor to complete the work. Michael did hear back from Florin, and he's unable to serve as editor, so the working group has a decision to make about FLAC.
Discussion on the call
- Steve is waiting for reviews on Matroska (should we just merge everything? :-) Timescale looks like the tricky question, for now. Can start preliminary review on merged documents then. Planning to sort IDs for IANA (we have over 100 of them) - want to make sure this is easy to verify correctness.
IANA will accept XML file for everything
- When RFC for Matroska is published, do we have to do anything to update links to Internet-Drafts? No, that's handled by IANA.
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
- No objections during the call.
Matroska issues - Discussion on the call
- Mostly validating patches and approving them
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
- Jerome has ideas for proof of concepts, but not ready to share that yet.
- Some questions about licensing in IETF - license on FFV1 not present, patch has been approved and applied. License is same as Matroska.
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
- (We noted that we don't have the original FLAC authors involved - we probably need to do some homework on this, to ensure that we handle copyright for FLAC correctly)
- Remember to mention the FLAC format author(s) - "Josh Coalson", copyrights in 2009 and 2011 on the website
- Martijn van Beurden would like to help, and has experience on libFLAC. For now, we just need to make sure that everything in the documents makes sense/is logical. If anything is missing, we just need to create issues (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/Cellar-FLAC/issues) and PRs for that.
AOB?
- Spencer welcomed Martijn van Beurden and thanked him for his offer of help on FLAC
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NEXT MEETING 2021-10-26 :tada:
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Notes from previous meeting for approval
CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date |
Time |
Local Times |
| 2021-08-24 |
21:00 Amsterdam |
Time Converter |
| Note |
Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam |
|
Administrivia
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-07
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
WEB CONFERENCE:
https://whereby.com/cellar-interim
THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.)
- Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll
be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee
lists, etc.
- Please ask Spencer if you have questions.
:::warning
The ComiMD URL is still redirecting, but the newly official location is https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit - and that's active now. Please bookmark the new one when you're redirected to it.
:::
Logistics for Meeting
2021 virtual interim meeting dates
- Please note our 2021 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/
- IETF 112 will also be a fully online meeting (announced 2021-08-04), so we will not be meeting face-to-face in Madrid, right? Perhaps in early December, close to Amsterdam with a workshop on FFv1 and Matroska (also in person) More info at https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5
- ACTION: Co-chairs to propose 2022 meeting schedule in September meeting, for information and comment.
- September 28, 2021: 21:00 Paris (1900 UTC)
- October 26, 2021: 21:00 Paris (1900 UTC)
- November 23, 2021: 21:00 Paris (2000 UTC)
Agenda Items
Roll call
Attendees
* Spencer Dawkins
* Steve Lhomme
* Michael Richardson
* Jerome Martinez
* Michael Neidermayer
* Dave Rice
Regrets
*
News You Can Use
WG status update
Milestone review:
- Matroska maybe at the end of Summer 2021? It's closer than we thought
- Is it worth publishing an update to ffv1-v4 that includes the goals we've discussed previously?
- Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc)
- FLAC still needs an editor to complete the work. Michael did hear back from Florin, and he's unable to serve as editor, so the working group has a decision to make about FLAC.
Discussion on the call
- Almost all the Matroska issues have PRs waiting for reviews - 7 do not. Steve will work on this during the coming week, and then send a version for review (soon) (after the PRs are merged)
- Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update.
- We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.
Michael Richardson has asked to step down as co-chair for SOME WORKING GROUP, after years of service in this role.
- This may be CELLAR, but also may not be. He's asked the ADs to pick one.
- We need to have a conversation about succession planning.
- Michael and Spencer are both IETF process resources, not technical resources - it would be good to have at least one of each.
- We could be using document shepherds to develop talent, but they need to be involved with our work, on calls, etc.
- Open call on the Cellar mailing list? Michael has reached out to individuals in the past - that worked with Matroska.
- IETF working groups do not name their own leadership - that's an Area Director responsibity - but ADs make their best choices when they have all the information we can give them to make choices.
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
Follow-up on Possible switch to Meetecho for our calls
Discussion on previous calls
- We discussed moving to Meetecho (from whereby.com) at the May meeting, and Spencer had an action to check on iOS and Android clients for Meetecho.
- Spencer verified that Meetecho uses WebRTC, so should work with any browser, but does not currently have an iOS or Android client available.
- Michael's experience is that Meetecho REALLY needs to run from a computer, and not a phone or tablet, just because you need a lot of screen real estate to keep track of queues, chats, and other stuff.
Discussion on the call
- Is using a computer for Cellar interim meetings a dealbreaker for anyone?
- None on the call ...
- ACTION Spencer will request Meetecho for our September meeting.
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
Matroska issues - Discussion on the call
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
- Were not discussed on the call
AOB?
- None noted, except that Spencer and Michael expressed their appreciation for the people in the working group!
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NEXT MEETING 2021-09-28 :tada:
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