CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date |
Time |
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| 2021-11-23 |
21:00 Amsterdam |
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Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam |
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Administrivia
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-09
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
WEB CONFERENCE:
https://whereby.com/cellar-interim
THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.)
We are still on whereby.com for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. Please stay alert!
- Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
- Please ask Spencer if you have questions.
Logistics for Meeting
2021 virtual interim meeting dates
Agenda Items
Roll call
Attendees
Regrets
*
News You Can Use
- NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending
** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1.
** the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10.
Final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings have been approved by our AD and added to the datatracker
- 2022-01-25
- 2022-02-22
- 2022-03-29
- 2022-04-26
- 2022-05-24
- 2022-06-28
- 2022-08-23
- 2022-09-27
- 2022-10-25
- 2022-12-06
WG status update
- draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 21-10-09, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists Expires Soon
- draft-ietf-cellar-flac-02 was posted 2021-11-01, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-tags-0 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
Milestone review:
- Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we’ve published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.
- Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) - we can still wait for more feedback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is “after we get Matroska out, so we know everything Matroska needs will be covered”
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
- No objections on the mailing list or on the call.
Making sure we have copyright issues straightened out for the FLAC specification
- Update from Michael on discussions with Josh Coulson and IETF Trust
- Continue with the current document, or start a new one?
Discussion on the call
Matroska issues - Discussion on the call
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
- No discussion on the call
AOB?
Notes from previous meeting for approval
CELLAR – DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date |
Time |
Local Times |
| 2021-10-26 |
21:00 Amsterdam |
Time Converter |
| Note |
Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam |
|
Administrivia
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2021-09
Note that we’re now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here
WEB CONFERENCE:
https://whereby.com/cellar-interim
THERE IS NO TELEPHONE DIALIN (You can try connecting to the whereby.com link at any time.)
We are still on whereby.com for this meeting, but still planning to move to Meetecho for upcoming meetings. Please stay alert!
- Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you’ll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc.
- Please ask Spencer if you have questions.
Logistics for Meeting
2021 virtual interim meeting dates
Agenda Items
Roll call
Attendees
- Spencer Dawkins
- Michael Richardson
- Steve Lhomme
- Jerome Martinez
- Martijn van Beurden
- Reto Kromer
- Dave Rice
- Michael Niedermayer
Regrets
*
News You Can Use
- NOTE that https://mediaarea.net/NoTimeToWait5 is December 8-10, with in-person and virtual registration - a lot of us are attending
** workshop on improving Matroska, and how to improve FFV1.
** the workshops are on December 8, meeting 9/10.
Proposed final dates for 2022 Cellar meetings
- 2022-01-25
- 2022-02-22
- 2022-03-29
- 2022-04-26
- 2022-05-24
- 2022-06-28
- 2022-08-23
- 2022-09-27
- 2022-10-25
- 2022-12-06
ACTION Michael sending request to our ADs and requesting secretariat to add these meetings in the datatracker
WG status update
- draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists New this month
- draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 21-10-09, in ID Exists New this month
- draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-17 was posted 2021-05-25, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-flac-01 was posted 2021-04-27, in ID Exists, New version being posted manually
- draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
- draft-ietf-cellar-tags-0 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
Milestone review:
- Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we’ve published FFV1. ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.
- Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc) - we can still wait for more feedback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is “after we get Matroska out, so we know everything Matroska needs will be covered”
- Have we selected a new editor for FLAC? actually, no, and we need to. This work is heating up, but until this becomes a bottleneck, we can wait until Matroska is out
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
- No objections on the mailing list or on the call.
Making sure we have copyright issues straightened out for the FLAC specification
- Remember, the issue we care about right now is whether the IETF can publish a FLAC specification
- Our “last Contact” for the specification we’re working with, is “Copyright © 2000-2009 Josh Coalson, 2011-2014 Xiph.Org Foundation” (https://xiph.org/flac/format.html)
Discussion on the call
- We are still verifying what the license covering the specification is - it’s GFL 1.1, specified in the HTML file
- Continue with the current document, or start a new one?
- Dave has confirmed with Andrew Weaver that he’s not interested in continuing the work
- Our issue is that the IETF licensing is incompatible with GFL license, because we’re using copyright as a substitute for a trademark, since trademark doesn’t exist in all countries
- This is probably a conversation we should have with the IETF Trust
- We should also give our ADs a heads-up
- Michael is writing a note to the IETF Trust on our call, asking for guidance
Matroska issues - Discussion on the call
- Merging the easy PRs for now
- Two categories of issues are left
- Checking with Moritz on 3-4 pull requests, can move ahead without a reply
- Steve - we’re close to being ready for a full review
- New Matroska docs were taken out of the main specification, and aren’t blocking for us to move forward
- Both new documents need closer looks and discussion
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
- Lots of open issues and PRs are new
- We have a new version, being posted manually
- (“Ongoing”)
- We need to track our changes to FLAC while we chase down the plan for dealing with the original text
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
- No discussion on the call
AOB?
- We have new test files repos - ACTION Spencer to update our activity report
- We will meet on Whereby in November meeting, and then (try to) migrate to MeetEcho as a group
- Keep an eye on CoViD-19 situations no matter where you are and where you will be!