Minutes of the 2020-02-25 IETF-IEEE 802 Coordination Teleconference 1. Welcome, roll call, agenda bashing Present: Alvaro Retana Cindy Morgan Bob Heile Deborah Brungard Donald Eastlake Dorothy Stanley Erik Nordmark János Farkas Jon Rosdahl Juan Carlos Zúñiga Magnus Westerlund Martin Duke Mirja Kühlewind Pat Kinney Paul Congdon Peter Yee Robert Wilton Roman Danyliw Russ Housley Scott Mansfield Ted Hardie 2. Action item updates - In Progress: o Bob Heile to send a short description of 802's LPA project with pointers to Russ Housley for inclusion in the coordination list. (Added 2018-06-28) o Paul Nikolich to ping Bob Heile to send a short description of 802's LPA project to Russ Housley for inclusion in the coordination list. (Added 2019-10-16) o Dorothy Stanley to ask Bob Heile for a status update on 802.15.12. (Added 2019-06-18) o Paul Nikolich to ping Bob Heile for a status update on 802.15.12. (Added 2019-10-16) o Dorothy Stanley to find out when 802E will go to sponsor ballot. (Added 2019-10-16) 3. IETF New Work summary - Applications and Real-Time o Adaptive DNS Discovery (ADD), chartered 2020-02-21 This new WG will focus on how to adapt things to send DNS messages over encrypted transports. o Realtime Internet Peering for Telephony (RIPT) This BOF will focus on real-time peering for SIP. o Web Transport (WEBTRANS), WG chartering in progress This proposed WG will define new client-server protocols or protocol extensions in order to support the development of the WebTransport API. o Web Packaging (WPACK), WG chartering in progress This proposed WG will develop a specification for a web packaging format that efficiently bundles multiple HTTP representations. - Internet o Drone Remote ID Protocol (DRIP), chartered 2020-02-21 This new WG will focus on identification of unmanned aircraft for Civil Aviation Authorities. This may be of interest to 802. o Multiplexed Application Substrate over QUIC Encryption (MASQUE) This BOF will focus on using QUIC as the protocol for tunneling the types of traffic where proxying transport protocol proxying is beneficial. - Security o Privacy Pass (privacypass) This BOF will focus on developing and standardizing the Privacy Pass protocol as a performant mechanism for providing privacy- preserving attestation of a previous successful authorization between a human and a server. o Transactional Authorization (TXAUTH) This BOF will focus on developing a fine-grained delegation protocol for authorization, identity, and API access, expanding on use cases from OAuth and OpenID Connect. - IAB o Internet Thread Model (model-t) This new IAB Program provides an open venue for analysis of the Internet threat model and environment and has as a goal to produce a potential update that defines an Internet threat model that better matches today’s reality. 4. 802 New Work summary - 802.1ASdm Amendment: Hot Standby, PAR and CSD This PAR amendment adds hot standby to the standard that specifies the protocol, procedures, and managed objects used to ensure that the synchronization requirements are met for time-sensitive applications, such as audio, video, and time-sensitive control, across networks - 802.1CQ Amendment: Multicast and Local Address Assignment, PAR Extension and CSD This PAR extension requests to add an additional two years to the existing PAR for Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Multicast and Local Address Assignment. - 802.3cy Amendment: Greater than 10 Gb/s Automotive Ethernet Electrical PHYs, PAR and CSD This PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate modifications of IEEE Std 802.3 to add greater than 10 Gb/s electrical Physical Layer specifications for symmetrical and asymmetrical operation and management parameters for media and operating conditions for applications in the automotive environment. - 802.3cz Amendment: Multi-Gigabit Automotive Optical PHYs, PAR and CSD This PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate modifications of IEEE Std 802.3 to add Physical Layer specifications and management parameters for multi-gigabit optical Ethernet for application in the automotive environment. - 802.3da Amendment: 10Mb/s Single Pair Ethernet Multidrop Enhancements, PAR and CSD This PAR amendment specifies additions and modifications of the Physical Layer (including reconciliation sublayers), management parameters, Ethernet support for time synchronization protocols, and optional power delivery to enhance 10Mb/s multidrop single balanced pair networks - 802.3db Amendment: 100 Gb/s Wavelength Short Reach PHYs, PAR and CSD This PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate modifications of IEEE Std 802.3 and adds Physical Layer specifications and management parameters for 100 Gb/s, 200 Gb/s, and 400 Gb/s Ethernet optical interfaces for server attachment and other intra-data center applications using 100 Gb/s signaling over optical fiber. - 802.15.7a - Amendment - Defining High Data Rate Optical Camera - Communications (OCC), PAR and CSD This PAR amendment defines a high-rate Optical Camera Communications (OCC) Physical Layer (PHY) using light wavelengths from 10000 nm to 190 nm in optically transparent media. - Other work Scott Mansfield pointed to work on 802f - Standard for Local and Metropolitan Area Networks: Overview and Architecture Amendment: YANG Data Model for EtherTypes and noted that it should be tracked on the list of current coordination items as part of Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802. 5. Review current coordination items - Item 5. Enabling use of Local Addresses for virtualization and IoT Russ Housley reported that draft-ietf-dhc-mac-assign has completed WG Last Call and should go to IETF Last Call soon. Paul Congdon reported that the PAR for IEEE 802.1CQ has just been renewed. - Item 21. 6tisch Russ Housley reported that draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture is currently in the RFC Editor Queue, blocked on references to other documents that are waiting to be published. - Item 24. Coordination between the IETF and IEEE 802 on Pervasive Monitoring János Farkas reported that comment resolution is underway for the sponsor ballot on IEEE 802E/D1.6. - Item 25. Layer 2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic Deborah Brungard reported that draft-ietf-detnet-data-plane- framework is currently out for expert review to sort out the alignment. - Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802 Russ Housley will add the information about the IEEE 802f PAR to this item. János Farkas noted that IEEE did not leverage the opportunity to add YANG during the 802.1AX revision project, so a new project would need to be started to do work there. - Item 30. Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) draft-ietf-ipwave-ipv6-over-80211ocb was published as RFC 8691 in December 2019. This coordination item will be closed. - Item 31. LPWAN Bob Heile reported that 802.15.4w is done and currently in the RevComm queue and is expected to be completed by July 2020. This item can be closed once that is published. - Item 32. Source Address Validation for Wireless LAN Russ Housley reported that 802.11 was asked to review draft- ietf-6lo-ap-nd-12. Dorothy Stanley replied there were no comments. This item can be closed once draft-ietf-6lo-ap-nd is published as an RFC. - Item 33. Capability Discovery János Farkas reported that the PAR for 802.ABdh was approved but does not have an editor yet. Paul Congdon noted that there was an email from IEEE-SA calling for participation. Russ Housley will forward that on to the relevant IETF groups. Alvaro Retana suggested adding draft-congdon-lsvr-lldp-tlvs and draft-ymbk-lsvr-l3dl-signing to the list of relevant documents for this item. - New items János Farkas suggested adding an item to track the work in the Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) WG. The group agreed that there is enough common interest that RAW should be added. 6. Assess need for breakfast meeting during the 2020 March IETF meeting (Vancouver 21-27 March) The group agreed that it does not need to meet during IETF 107 in Vancouver. 7. Face-to-Face Meeting in November The group discussed holding a face-to-face meeting in Bangkok in November 2020, since IEEE 802 and IETF will meet there during consecutive weeks. János Farkas noted that DetNet and TSN are already planning a joint workshop hosted by the IETF on the Saturday between the two meetings. Russ Housley asked whether the leadership should have a face-to-face meeting as well, noting that the timing of the DetNet/TSN Workshop on Saturday and the IESG/IAB meetings on Sunday makes timing difficult. Breakfast and/or dinner meetings were suggested instead; the group agreed to continue thinking about this. 8. Adjourn