Minutes of the 2021-06-24 IETF-IEEE 802 Coordination Teleconference 1. Welcome, roll call, agenda bashing Present: - Alvaro Retana - Cindy Morgan - Donald Eastlake - Dorothy Stanley - Erik Kline - Eve Schooler - Francesca Palombini - Glenn Parsons - John Scudder - Martin Duke - Martin Vigoureux - Murray Kucherawy - Pascal Thubert - Paul Congdon - Peter Yee - Rick Taylor - Rob Wilton - Roman Danyliw - Russ Housley - Warren Kumari - Zahed Sarker 2. Action item updates In Progress: - Pat Kinney to provide a status update on 802.15.12. • Originally added 2019-06-18; updated 2020-10-27 • 2021-02-17: Dorothy Stanley agreed to reach out for an update - Scott Mansfield and Rob Wilton to get IEEE and IETF people together to brainstorm a way forward that will allow exact match string comparison for MAC addresses. • Added 2020-06-15 • 2021-02-17: Rob and Scott agreed to write up a summary of the problem and send it to the coordination list + 2021-06-24: Rob reported that Scott presented this in NETMOD at IETF 110 and has found some people interested in working on a draft. 3. IETF New Work summary https://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart - Serialising Extended Data About Times and Events (SEDATE) Area: Applications and Real-Time SEDATE is expected to be chartered as a Working Group before IETF 111. See https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/sedate/about/. - SCIM Industry Next Steps (SINS) Area: Applications and Real-Time This BOF will explore possible updates to the System for Cross- domain Identity Management (SCIM) RFCs. - MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application Services (MADINAS) Area: Internet The MADINAS BOF will examine the effect of RCM schemes on network and application services in several scenarios identified as relevant. The group will also evaluate various identifiers (beyond the MAC address) that can be used by the network to provide services, as well as scenarios where personal device identity is not required. Glenn Parsons noted that this may overlap with activities in 802. A new item will be added to the coordination list on this topic, with Glenn Parsons, Dorothy Stanley, and Eric Vyncke as the owners. - Application-aware Networking (APN) Area: Routing The APN BOF will focus on the network-side solution for a framework to add an attribute in the tunnel encapsulation header at the edge of the operator's network domain, based on the existing information (e.g. 5-tuple and/or QinQ) in the packet header, facilitating the flexible enforcement of various policies in different nodes along a network path onto the traffic flow, with no need to further resolve the N-tuple at each policy enforcement node. - DANE AutheNtication for IoT Service Hardening (DANISH) Area: Security The DANISH BOF will focus on extending the DANE standard to encompass client identity and message sender identity use cases. DANISH also seeks to define a transitional mode for DANE, which will allow the safe adoption of DANE for domain owners who have not yet implemented DNSSEC. Glenn Parsons noted that 802 has work on authentication mechanisms for IOT at layer 2, and asked if this would be higher in the stack. Roman Danyliw replied that it is higher in the stack. Glenn Parsons asked if there was any need to coordinate with 802.1x. Roman Danyliw replied that the current scope is very narrow, so he does not think so. If the scope is broadened, coordination may be necessary. - Oblivious HTTP (OHTTP) Area: Security The OHTTP BOF will work on the Oblivious HTTP protocol, a method of encapsulating HTTP requests and responses that provides protected, low-latency exchanges. 4. 802 New Work summary https://ieee802.org/PARs.shtml Dorothy Stanley noted that in addition to the items listed on the PARs web page, an amendment to extend the PAR for 802.11az will go before the board in September 2021. - 802.1Qcw - Amendment: YANG Data Models for Scheduled Traffic, Frame Preemption, and Per-Stream Filtering and Policing, PAR Extension This is an extension to an existing PAR that was set to expire in December 2021. - 802.1Qcj - Amendment: Automatic Attachment to Provider Backbone Bridging (PBB) services, PAR Extension This is an extension to an existing PAR that was set to expire in December 2021. - 802.1 - Industry Connections: Nendica ICAID This is a pre-PAR effort to charter a group on Network Enhancements for the Next Decade Industry Connections Activity to look at topics that are relevant across all of 802. - 802.3de - Amendment: Enhancements to the MAC Merge function and the Time Synchronization Service Interface (TSSI) to include Point-to- Point 10 Mb/s Single Pair Ethernet, PAR The PAR amendment specifies additions to and appropriate modifications of the IEEE Std 802.3 MAC Merge function and the Time Synchronization Service Interface (TSSI) to support 10 Mb/s Single Pair Ethernet point to point PHYs. - 802.15.13 Standard: Multi-Gigabit per Second Optical Wireless Communications (OWC), with Ranges up to 200 meters, for both stationary and mobile devices, PAR Extension This is an extension to an existing PAR that was set to expire in December 2021. - 802.15.4-2020/Cor1 Corrigendum 1: Correction of errors preventing backward compatibility, PAR Modification This PAR modification Is to correct errors preventing backwards compatibility in 082.15.4-2020. - 802.15.4ab Amendment: Enhanced Ultra Wide-Band (UWB) Physical Layers (PHYs) and Associated MAC Enhancements, PAR This PAR amendment enhances the Ultra Wideband (UWB) physical layers (PHYs) medium access control (MAC), and associated ranging techniques while retaining backward compatibility with enhanced ranging capable devices (ERDEVs). - 802.15.6a Amendment: Dependable Human and Vehicle Body Area Networks, PAR This PAR amendment enhances the Ultra-Wideband (UWB) physical layer (PHY) and medium access control (MAC) to support enhanced dependability to human body area networks (HBAN) and adds support for vehicle body area networks (VBAN), operating under strict compliance to standards and limits for electromagnetic compatibility (EMC) and electromagnetic interference (EMI). - 802.15.14 Standard: Ad-Hoc Impulse Radio Ultra Wideband Wireless Networks, PAR This PAR specifies the physical layer (PHY) and data link layer for impulse radio ultra wideband (UWB) wireless connectivity with fixed, portable, and moving devices with limited energy consumption requirements, and supports precision ranging. - 802.15.15 Standard: Ad-Hoc Low-Rate Wireless Networks, PAR This PAR specifies the physical layer (PHY) and data link layer for ad hoc low data rate wireless connectivity with fixed, portable, and moving devices with very low energy consumption requirements. PHYs are defined for devices operating in a variety of regulatory domains. 5. Review current coordination items - Item 5. Enabling use of Local Addresses for virtualization and IoT Glenn Parsons reported that the Task Force letter ballot for 802.1CQ is expected in July 2021. Pascal Thubert requested that RFC 8929, "Address-Protected Neighbor Discovery for Low-Power and Lossy Networks," be added to the list of relevant documents. - Item 25. Layer 2/Layer 3 Interaction for Time-Sensitive Traffic John Scudder will replace Deborah Brungard as the owner of this item from the IETF side. Glenn Parsons reported that P802.1Qcz is stalled behind the update of the base P802.1Q. - Item 27. Development of YANG models in the IEEE 802 Russ Housley reported that P802.1ABcu is currently in IEEE SA letter ballot. Glenn Parsons reported that P802.1ABcv and P802.1ABcw are expected to move to IEEE SA letter ballot after the July 2021 plenary meeting. Glenn Parsons reported that the Etherype YANG document is expected to move to WG letter ballot after the July 2021 plenary meeting. - Item 33. Capability Discovery Alvaro Retana reported that there has not been any progress on this from the LSVR WG side, as they have been focusing on the base spec. Paul Congdon reported that the LLDPv2 draft is going to IEEE SA letter ballot. Paul Congdon noted that draft-congdon-lsvr-lldp-tlvs has expired and can be taken off the list of relevant documents. Alvaro Retana replied that he would talk to the WG chairs about that document, as he suspects that the document expired not out of lack of interest, but because everything was focused on L3DL. - Item 34. Reliable and Available Wireless (RAW) Eve Schooler reported that the RAW WG has sent draft-ietf-raw-ldacs to the IESG. - Possible New Coordination Items A new item on MAC Address Device Identification for Network and Application Services (MADINAS) will be added to the coordination list. 6. Adjourn