CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting

Administrivia

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-04
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=d3981c84-7f33-44b4-a2f1-00172021a2a4

Shared COMIMD for notetaking

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https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-04-cellar?view

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Logistics for Meeting

2022 virtual interim meeting dates

• Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

Agenda Items

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Roll call

Attendees
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Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

• Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
• No objections on the mailing list or on the call.

WG status update

• draft-ietf-cellar-codec-08 was posted 2022-03-29, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-18 was posted 2021-11-27, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-flac-02 was posted 2021-11-01, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-09 was posted 2022-03-29, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-tags-08 was posted 2022-03-29, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 expired
• draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 expired

Milestone review:

• done last time.

Discussion on the call

• OLD BUSINESS?

Matroska issues - Discussion on the call

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FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

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FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

• No discussion on the call

AOB?

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CELLAR -- DRAFT MINUTES for Virtual Interim Meeting

Administrivia

Logistics for Meeting

INFO:

https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-02
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here

WEB CONFERENCE:

https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=cfe1fd60-bccc-413f-a57b-fdf3cbf2878b

This link ^^ changes every month. Spencer did not know this.

Please note that the MeetEcho links for 2022 are available at https://gce.conf.meetecho.com/admin-ietf/

Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-cellar-virtual?edit

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• Please ask Spencer if you have questions.

2022 virtual interim meeting dates

• Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/

Agenda Items

Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/

Roll call

Attendees
* Spencer Dawkins
* Martijn van Beurden
* Michael Richardson
* Reto Kromer
* Steve Lhomme
* Jerome Martinez

Regrets
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Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)

• Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
• No Objections, so ...

WG document status update

• draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-codec-07 was posted 2021-10-19, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-control-00 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-18 was posted 2021-11-27, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-flac-02 was posted 2021-11-01, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-08 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists
• draft-ietf-cellar-tags-07 was posted 2021-10-09, in ID Exists

Milestone review:

• Previous status: Jerome is now able to focus on FFV1-v4, since we've published FFV1.
  ACTION Spencer to send e-mail to DISPATCH when we submit a (small) update. We should wait until we have a bit more text, or bigger issues, to publish as a draft.

• Are we ready to submit a working group draft for EBML updates (errata plus additions) yet? (https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/ebml-specification/tree/corrections-doc)

  • we can still wait for more feedback/bigger changes before submitting anything - ETA is "after we get Matroska out, so we know everything Matroska needs will be covered"
  • also have some implementation/experience reports.

FLAC as Standards Track or Informational

• PR #135 is OK to push
• Closed for now

errata to acknowledge the MP4 registry work for FFV1

• as listed in https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/kcchQqo6aq2veXijhwVmozQDLCc/.
• Steve will enter errata for this
• Need to add same material for FFV1-V4 but we do this in GitHub, because that's not a published RFC
• https://github.com/FFmpeg/FFV1/blob…master/ffv1.md#matroska-file-format=
• See https://mp4ra.org/#/codecs and search FFV1

?? email on #matroska-user with the subject "[Matroska-users] Video Coding History questions”

• Postponed to April meeting

push matroska-09 and submit it for review to the higher powers

• One remaining issue, and it's unrelated
• Ready to push this one now.
• We'll initiate WGLC and forward email to appropriate mailing lists outside IETF.
• Will be four week WGLC with two-week reminder

publish codec-08 and tags-08 as well since they seem to expire in April

• (but "Codec changes include proper reference to the (renamed) UncompressedFourCC element and AVS3 codec" and "Tags have the new TVDB2 tag")
• will publish when they expire - they're not being WGLCed

FLAC issues - Discussion on the call

• Two new issues, please review
• Issues #145 and #146

Matroska issues - Discussion on the call

• Can defer this and focus on codecs and tags until after WGLC

FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call

• No updates on this call
• We need to discuss directions on the April call

AOB?

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