# CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting | Date |Time | Local Times | |:------:|:-----------:|:------| |2022-08-23 |21:00 Amsterdam |[Time Converter](https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm)| | **Note** | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | ## Administrivia ### INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-07 **Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here** ### WEB CONFERENCE: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=8291e9a9-5e5d-4f43-928a-9f49e52df598 #### Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-07-cellar?view * Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. * Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions. #### 2022 virtual interim meeting dates * Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ ## Agenda Items ### Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ #### Roll call Attendees * Spencer Dawkins * Regrets * #### Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) * Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. ### WG status update * draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-flac-04 was posted 2022-08-21, in ID Exists * ***draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-11 was posted 2022-07-03, in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC*** * draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists ### Milestone review: * FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone? ** We said at the June meeting that we could spend all of the August meeting on FLAC, if we needed to ... ##### Discussion on the call * NoTimeToWait 2022 announced as October 26-28, 2022. The venue is the The Hague. * Michael has proposed that we have this meeting as hybrid (in person plus remote), and has requested approval for this from our AD. ### Matroska issues - Discussion of [shepherd writeup from Michael](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/) on the call. * Michael is document shepherd, and we will pass it on to AD for review. * ### FLAC issues - Discussion on the call * from our last call: * #138 and #158 need review. ### FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * ## AOB? * Next meeting is 2022-09-27 :::success # Previous Minutes - CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting | Date |Time | Local Times | |:------:|:-----------:|:------| |2022-06-28 |21:00 Amsterdam |[Time Converter](https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm)| | **Note** | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | ## Administrivia ### INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-06 **Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here** ### WEB CONFERENCE: https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=7e2989e5-733a-4a81-bf0d-2af8713c32b9 #### Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-06-cellar?view * Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. * Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions. #### 2022 virtual interim meeting dates * Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ ## Agenda Items ### Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ #### Roll call Attendees * Spencer Dawkins * Martijn van Beurden * Michael Richardson * Dave Rice * Steve Lhomme * Jérôme Martinez * Michael Niedermayer * Regrets * Reto Kromer says he's likely to miss, because he's in a war zone #### Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) * Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. ### WG status update * draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-flac-03 was posted 2022-04-24, in ID Exists * ***draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-10 was posted 2022-04-30, in WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up, and has been updated after WGLC*** * draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists ### Milestone review: * FLAC - will not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone? ** probably done by end of summer, so we don't need to change the milestone date at this time. ##### Discussion on the call * NoTimeToWait 2022 announced as October 26-28, 2022. The venue is the The Hague. * ### Matroska issues - Discussion of [shepherd writeup from Michael](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/) on the call. * Michael to be document shepherd, and pass it on to AD for review. * Now in **WG Consensus: Waiting for Write-Up** * In addition to PR reviews, Steve also asked that we discuss whether we need an ***IANA Registry For Enums In The Document*** * Michael has reviewed all of the document except the legacy section at the end * Steve has addressed about 80 percent of Michael's comments (thank you!) * Need to be clear about the use of BCP14 text, and especially the use of SHOULD in our specifications * We can also use "conditional MUST" statements if we can identify scenarios where the MUST would not apply * How tolerant do archiving repositories need to be, about files that are not well-formed (not compliant to the standard you support) * General recommednation about how to create files? Steve has a PR for that. * Block groups and simple block elements are legal, even if they contain no elements * PR #609 details * Section 25.3 needs to be redone as a media regisrtation. * Steve will create PRs with the existing issues that Michael has identified with the draft previously ### FLAC issues - Discussion on the call * (If time allows) - actually, we can spend all of the August call on FLAC, if that's needed to finish up by end of summer * #138 and #158 need review. ### FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * (Time probably won't allow on this call - can we pick a date for discussion). ## AOB? * Next meeting is 2022-08-23 - ***remember, we skip July***