# CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting | Date |Time | Local Times | |:------:|:-----------:|:------| |2022-12-06 |21:00 Amsterdam |[Time Converter](https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm)| | **Note** | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | ## Administrivia ### INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-10 **Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here** ### MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE: info: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-10/session/cellar https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=3f7f07f9-31be-4620-88b4-00dd130b8582 note that chat is now Zulip: https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar but is accessible via meetecho interface. #### Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-10-cellar * Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. * Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions. #### 2023 virtual interim meeting dates * When approved, our 2023 dates will be listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ ## Agenda Items ### Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ #### Roll call Attendees * Spencer Dawkins * Regrets * #### Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) * Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. #### Agree on proposed 2023 meeting dates * Sent to mailing list on 2022-11-29 * Two date errors (thank you, Martijn van Beurden, for corrections), but these didn't change the possible conflicts * Current plan is that we move our March meeting to April 4, cancel our July meeting, move our November meeting to 2023-12-05, and cancel our December meeting * Steve Lhomme said "looks good to me" * Any other considerations before we send these to the secretariat? * **(Do we know of any plans for an in-person NTTW in 2023?)** |4th Tuesday |Month |Does this date make sense for us? |If not, what do we do instead?| | -------- | -------- | -------- | -------- | |2023-01-24 |JAN ||| |2023-02-28 |FEB ||| |2023-03-28 |MAR | IETF 116 is 2023-03-25 to 2023-03-31 |Schedule for April 4 instead| |2023-04-25 |APR | Easter is 2023-04-09 || |2023-05-23 |MAY ||| |2023-06-28 |JUN ||| |2023-07-25 |JUL | IETF 117 is 2023-07-22 to 2023-07-28 | cancel| |2023-08-22 |AUG ||| |2023-09-26 |SEP ||| |2023-10-24 |OCT ||| |2023-11-28 |NOV | IETF 118 is 2023-11-04 to 2023-11-10, US Thanksgiving is 2023-11-23 |Schedule for Dec 5 instead| |2023-12-26 |DEC | Christmas Eve | cancel| ### WG status update * draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-02 posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-codec-10 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-control-02 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-20 was posted 2022-12-05, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-flac-07 was posted 2022-10-23, in ID Exists * ***draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-14 was posted 2022-10-01, in AD Evaluation. * draft-ietf-cellar-tags-10 was posted 2022-12-04, in ID Exists ### Milestone review: * MATROSKA - We are waiting for Murray's AD evaluation of this draft. * FLAC - Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer's Shepherd Write-up of this draft. * **Thanks for posting updates of all of our working group drafts.** * What are we focusing on next, now that Matroska and FLAC are leaving the working group? * ### From Steve Lhomme - are we ready for a document that handles EBML errata? * Submitted errata are [here](https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=8794&rec_status=15&presentation=records). * We have 9 reported errata, including 6 technical. * We have proposed text for all 9 errata. * Question from Chris Smiley at RFC-Editor: "If you decide to verify EID 7192 (sent in a previous message on 11/01/22), should EID 7193 be combined with it?" * ### Debrief on In-person meeting October 28, 1200UTC, The Hague. details: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar https://www.digitalmeetsculture.net/article/no-time-to-wait-conference/ * Is this a good thing to do, if there are future NTTW conferences? * ### Matroska issues - Discussion on the call. * We are waiting for Murray's AD evaluation of this draft. ### FLAC issues - Discussion on the call * Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer's Shepherd Write-up of this draft. ### FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * ## AOB? * * Next meeting is 2023-01-24, if approved by our AD # Previous Minutes - CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting # CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting | Date |Time | Local Times | |:------:|:-----------:|:------| |2022-10-28 14:00 Amsterdam |[Time Converter](https://savvytime.com/converter/netherlands-amsterdam-to-utc-ny-new-york-city-ca-san-francisco/jun-22-2021/9pm)| | **Note** | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | ## Administrivia THIS MEETING is IN PERSON, at No Time To Wait. Due to scheduling it got chopped down to 30 minutes. ### INFO: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-m11 **Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes here** ### MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE: info: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=69cac44e-ccb6-4fe7-865b-e27bcfcdfc4f note that chat is now Zulip: https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar but is accessible via meetecho interface. #### Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-11-cellar * Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists, etc. * Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions. #### 2022 virtual interim meeting dates * Please note our 2022 dates listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/cellar/meetings/ ## Agenda Items ### Intro to IETF ### Intro to CELLAR ### Note Well: https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ #### Roll call Attendees * Michael Richardson * Jérôme Martinez * Dave Rice * Steve Lhomme * Martijn van Beurden * all of nttw Regrets * #### Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below) * Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list. * no ### WG status update * draft-ietf-cellar-chapter-codecs-01 posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-codec-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-control-01 was posted 2022-05-01, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-ffv1-v4-19 was posted 2022-05-31, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-flac-04 was posted 2022-08-21, in ID Exists * draft-ietf-cellar-matroska-14 was posted 2022-10-01, submitter to iesg for publication * draft-ietf-cellar-tags-09 was posted 2022-04-30, in ID Exists ### Milestone review: * FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update for milestone? ** revised document posted... ready for shepherd write up, and AD review ** FLAC was developed in 2001, and we had a document, but a lot of details were missing, and now we a fully detailed document, and you don't have to read source code. ** document became 4x as big, and it has come a long way ** ### Matroska issues - Discussion of [shepherd writeup from Michael](https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cellar/hoyvAqjTxYNpQHdGU59TQXLEbRI/) on the call. * document has been handed to AD for AD-writeup * ### Matroska Codec issues - IANA Considerations * ATRAC/1 was added to preserve Sony MiniDisc in their original format https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/pull/681 * Issue about IANA for codecs: https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/matroska-specification/issues/485 ### FLAC issues - Discussion on the call * ### FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call * ### EBML Errata * EBML changes/specifications ** 8 errata to add to document! ** Now that Matroska is in the pipe. ** sending via https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_report.php ## AOB? * Next meeting is 2022-12-06.