CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date | Time | Local Times |
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| 2022-12-06 | 21:00 Amsterdam | Time Converter |
| Note | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | |
Administrivia
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-10
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes
here
MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE:
info:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-10/session/cellar
https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=3f7f07f9-31be-4620-88b4-00dd130b8582
note that chat is now Zulip:
https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar
but is accessible via meetecho interface.
Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking
Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-10-cellar
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Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to
edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists,
etc.
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Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.
2023 virtual interim meeting dates
Agenda Items
Roll call
Attendees
- Spencer Dawkins
- Martijn van Beurden
- Steve Lhomme
- Jérôme Martinez
- Michael Niedermayer
- Ralph Giles
Regrets
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
- Will defer approval until next meeting due to Spencer being a slug
Agree on proposed 2023 meeting dates
- Sent to mailing list on 2022-11-29
- Two date errors (thank you, Martijn van Beurden, for corrections),
but these didn't change the possible conflicts
- Current plan is that we move our March meeting to April 4, cancel
our July meeting, move our November meeting to 2023-12-05, and
cancel our December meeting
- Steve Lhomme said "looks good to me"
- Any other considerations before we send these to the secretariat?
- (Do we know of any plans for an in-person NTTW in 2023?) Don't
have a date at this time.
- No objections on the call, Spencer will submit these requests.
| 4th Tuesday | Month | Does this date make sense for us? | If not, what do we do instead? |
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| 2023-01-24 | JAN | | |
| 2023-02-28 | FEB | | |
| 2023-03-28 | MAR | IETF 116 is 2023-03-25 to 2023-03-31 | Schedule for April 4 instead |
| 2023-04-25 | APR | Easter is 2023-04-09 | |
| 2023-05-23 | MAY | | |
| 2023-06-28 | JUN | | |
| 2023-07-25 | JUL | IETF 117 is 2023-07-22 to 2023-07-28 | cancel |
| 2023-08-22 | AUG | | |
| 2023-09-26 | SEP | | |
| 2023-10-24 | OCT | | |
| 2023-11-28 | NOV | IETF 118 is 2023-11-04 to 2023-11-10, US Thanksgiving is 2023-11-23 | Schedule for Dec 5 instead |
| 2023-12-26 | DEC | Christmas EveBoxing Day | cancel |
WG status update
Milestone review:
- MATROSKA - We are waiting for Murray's AD evaluation of this draft.
- FLAC - Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer's Shepherd
Write-up of this draft.
- Thanks for posting updates of all of our working group drafts.
- What are we focusing on next, now that Matroska and FLAC are leaving
the working group?
- Codec document or tag document? Codec document is long, but tag may
generate a lot of discussion - we can do this in parallel, like EBML
and Matroska
- We can wait on FFV1v4 for a while ... not urgent, when we have time
- We can update milestones when Michael is available (via email)
From Steve Lhomme - are we ready for a document that handles EBML errata?
- Submitted errata are here.
- We have 9 reported errata, including 6 technical.
- We have proposed text for all 9 errata.
- Question from Chris Smiley at RFC-Editor: "If you decide to verify
EID 7192 (sent in a previous message on 11/01/22), should EID 7193
be combined with it?"
- From Michael on 2022-10-31 - "Yes, we should start RFC8794bis now,
but not rush"
- From Spencer - "when are we likely to uncover more EBML errata?"
- Spencer will discuss adding milestone for this with Michael and with
Murray
Debrief on In-person meeting - defer until next meeting, when Michael is available
October 28, 1200UTC, The Hague.
details:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar
https://www.digitalmeetsculture.net/article/no-time-to-wait-conference/
- Is scheduling an in-person meeting at NTTW a good thing to do?
Matroska issues - Discussion on the call.
- We are waiting for Murray's AD evaluation of this draft.
- Steve will review issue #682 on additional mappings (for codec
document). Not blocking Matroska base specification publication, but
would be good to resolve
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
- Has completed WGLC. We are waiting on Spencer's Shepherd Write-up of
this draft.
- Martijn - two PRs against FLAC, small changes. OK for Spencer to
review current revision, and we'll update the draft before
requesting publication
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
- deferring for a bit, because (as noted above) this isn't urgent
AOB?
- Next meeting is 2023-01-24, if approved by our AD
Previous Minutes - CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
CELLAR -- DRAFT AGENDA for Virtual Interim Meeting
| Date | Time | Local Times |
| :-: :-: :-
| 2022-10-28 14:00 Amsterdam | Time Converter | |
| Note | Meeting time is anchored to Amsterdam | |
Administrivia
THIS MEETING is IN PERSON, at No Time To Wait.
Due to scheduling it got chopped down to 30 minutes.
INFO:
https://github.com/ietf-wg-cellar/chair-notes/tree/master/interim-2022-m11
Note that we're now pointing to the Github repo for chair notes
here
MEETING INFO and WEB CONFERENCE:
info:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2022-cellar-11/session/cellar
https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?short=69cac44e-ccb6-4fe7-865b-e27bcfcdfc4f
note that chat is now Zulip:
https://zulip.ietf.org/login/#narrow/stream/cellar
but is accessible via meetecho interface.
Shared HedgeDoc for notetaking
Now using the Datatracker assigned notepad at:
https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-cellar-11-cellar
-
Note that if you log in to the IETF datatracker, you'll be able to
edit/clarify/correct these notes, add your name to attendee lists,
etc.
-
Please ask Michael or Spencer if you have questions.
2022 virtual interim meeting dates
Agenda Items
Intro to IETF
Intro to CELLAR
Roll call
Attendees
- Michael Richardson
- Jérôme Martinez
- Dave Rice
- Steve Lhomme
- Martijn van Beurden
- all of nttw
Regrets
*
Accept draft minutes from previous meeting (attached below)
- Any objections? Please let us know on the mailing list.
WG status update
Milestone review:
- FLAC - did not make July 2022 milestone. What is realistic update
for milestone?
** revised document posted... ready for shepherd write up, and AD
review
** FLAC was developed in 2001, and we had a document, but a lot
of details were missing, and now we a fully detailed document, and
you don't have to read source code.
** document became 4x as big, and it has come a long way
**
- document has been handed to AD for AD-writeup
Matroska Codec issues - IANA Considerations
FLAC issues - Discussion on the call
FFV1 v4 issues - Discussion on the call
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EBML Errata
* EBML changes/specifications
** 8 errata to add to document!
** Now that Matroska is in the pipe.
**
sending via https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_report.php
AOB?
- Next meeting is 2022-12-06.