https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2022-jwp-01-jwp#
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:00:23Z"}, {"author": "Karen O'Donoghue", "text": "Here is the notes page
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:00:27Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Thank you Pam!
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:03:33Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Outline per the agenda added to the Notes
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:04:08Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Materials from the IETF 114 BoF = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/114/session/jwp
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:05:28Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "+1 to the transformation framing.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:09:38Z"}, {"author": "Peter Saint-Andre", "text": "I can help with notetaking but I probably need to drop off halfway through.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:12:21Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Thank you Peter!
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:12:36Z"}, {"author": "Karen O'Donoghue", "text": "Thank you Peter... and Pam.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:13:25Z"}, {"author": "David Waite", "text": "peanut gallery comment - the processing complexity was also often a problem before; having a feature phone be able to do the cryptography in pure software in a responsive time frame
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:13:32Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "+1 to Knowledge Protection as the framing.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:18:46Z"}, {"author": "Gabriel Bauman", "text": "+1, excellent framing.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:19:02Z"}, {"author": "Michael Prorock", "text": "+1 Mike Jones - this is an excellent summary
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:21:27Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "IETF is the right place to define securing JSON knowledge. +1 Mike.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:21:36Z"}, {"author": "Michael Prorock", "text": "and, yes +1 to IETF being the right place for this
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:21:54Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Buchner", "text": "Here here!
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:25:15Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Buchner", "text": "Credentials - the 0.1% of identity that somehow gets 99% of the eyeballs
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:25:46Z"}, {"author": "Michael Prorock", "text": "+1 Daniel
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:26:01Z"}, {"author": "Daniel Buchner", "text": "JWP @ IETLFG!
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:26:27Z"}, {"author": "Jeremie Miller", "text": "+1 Daniel, only the tip of the iceberg
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:26:33Z"}, {"author": "Pamela Dingle", "text": "If anyone has time to move things under the right headers please do. Also adding the creds of the. speakers
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:28:00Z"}, {"author": "Karen O'Donoghue", "text": "Sorry folks... My laptop fan is going strong and introducing noise...
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:30:24Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Brian's audio is choppy, can you start again.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:30:56Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Speakers: Please don't switch on video if you have bandwidth problems.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:32:05Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "+1 to JOSE being the right way to solve for this.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:35:36Z"}, {"author": "Michael Prorock", "text": "+1 to JOSE - great track record for practical applications here, and this is naturally an extension based on new innovations that apply to JOSE
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:35:54Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Thread on ML being discussed = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/jose/ROCL5uXfAIj74_1o9Dv6jQGcv78/
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:35:55Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Is there a problem for the IETF to solve?
\n17 = raised hand
\n1 = did not raise the hand
Can we hear from the 1?
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:37:28Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "OK, that is a different question actually
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:38:48Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "agreed
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:38:54Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "I agree it is not yet clearly defined!
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:39:02Z"}, {"author": "Mike Jones", "text": "Thanks, Brian
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:39:09Z"}, {"author": "Peter Saint-Andre", "text": "Brian: is your concern primarily that the problem isn't clear, or that the new framing isn't yet reflected in the draft charter?
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:42:32Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "PSA, kinda both but more the latter.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:45:28Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "if that makes any sense
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:45:43Z"}, {"author": "Michael Prorock", "text": "I have to jump off for an interruption, but wish to echo full support for this work again, and will try and hop back on
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:49:36Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Interested to hear more. In the reframing here (not the charter): Problem: JOSE container format doesn't support ZKP algorithms. Solution: Extend the JOSE format to support the ZKP algorithms and associated interfaces.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:49:56Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "What would COSE do? :)
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:50:18Z"}, {"author": "Gabriel Bauman", "text": "+1 developing representations at the same time
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:52:53Z"}, {"author": "Jeremie Miller", "text": "+1 Carsten
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:52:56Z"}, {"author": "Shawn Butterfield", "text": "+1
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:53:01Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "+1
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:53:12Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "JWT doesn't support multiple signatures :(
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:53:48Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "that is clear Roman. Yes and sorry for poor communication on my part. I have some hesitation in saying it's clear due to not having a good understanding of zkp. But that's me.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:54:43Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Thanks.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:55:22Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "I will need to drop soon.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:55:54Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "Thanks Roman!
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:57:22Z"}, {"author": "Mike Jones", "text": "I'm obviously interested
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:58:57Z"}, {"author": "Mike Jones", "text": "I'm doing work already
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:05Z"}, {"author": "Shawn Butterfield", "text": "I'm extremely interested in doing work on JWP
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:25Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Show of hands, please.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:34Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(1) Contributors
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:42Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "(2) Reviewers
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:46Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Show of hands
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:48Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Please do use poll tool.
", "time": "2022-10-12T17:59:51Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Yes
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:00:16Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Who is willing to contribute to the work?
\n13 / 21
0 /21 (hands down)
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:01:17Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Who is willing to review the work?
\n14 / 21 (raised hands)
16 / 21 (raised hands)
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:02:40Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "I am dropping, I support the draft charter as a starting point, but it needs further refinement.
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:03:49Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "https://github.com/json-web-proofs/json-web-proofs/blob/main/charter-ietf-jose-03.md
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:05:16Z"}, {"author": "Karen O'Donoghue", "text": "https://github.com/json-web-proofs/json-web-proofs/blob/main/charter-ietf-jose-03.md
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:05:21Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "\"Would you support chartering a WG around <follow the link\" these deliverables?\"
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:05:39Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "I'd diddle the test vector thing a bit.
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:06:31Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "\"Would you support chartering a WG around the deliverables in <follow the link>?\"
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:06:37Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Important clarification
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:09:21Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "\"Specify new algorithms\" = Not inventing new algorithms
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:09:23Z"}, {"author": "Shawn Butterfield", "text": "+1 that was my question
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:09:43Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "I agreed we should clarify!
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:09:55Z"}, {"author": "Gabriel Bauman", "text": "+1 Roman - charter is specifying which algorithms will be used, not implying wg would develop algs
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:10:03Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "There is endless wordsmithing that can be applied to the top
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:12:09Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "We really need to do Mike's points
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:13:32Z"}, {"author": "Shawn Butterfield", "text": "Maybe move it up in the document?
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:15:42Z"}, {"author": "Pamela Dingle", "text": "I think I have it captured Brian but please review
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:16:06Z"}, {"author": "Tobias Looker", "text": "I mean it is kind of debate-able about where the boundary of JOSE is in reference to SD-JWT
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:17:05Z"}, {"author": "Tobias Looker", "text": "+1 John thats what I believe too
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:17:25Z"}, {"author": "Tobias Looker", "text": "SD-JWT is a new layer ontop of JOSE
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:17:40Z"}, {"author": "Tobias Looker", "text": "So its not in-accurate to say JOSE cannot solve this natively
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:17:59Z"}, {"author": "Gabriel Bauman", "text": "+1 John. We need to clarify. You can compose a SD solution out of JWTs, but JWTs are just components of a SD solution
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:18:59Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "+1
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:19:26Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "I can got after Victorio
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:19:47Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "Please don't write a textbook into the charter
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:20:37Z"}, {"author": "Mike Jones", "text": "I agree with not writing a textbook in the charter :-)
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:20:52Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Yes! Let's stick to the consensus we have here:
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:21:07Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Problem: JOSE container format doesn't support ZKP algorithms.
\nSolution: Extend the JOSE format to support the ZKP algorithms and associated interfaces.
+1
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:21:18Z"}, {"author": "Shawn Butterfield", "text": "+1
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:21:23Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "for the notes, I'm just looking to have text like \"first limitation is handling selective disclosure\" be make accurate or toned down by not stating a limitation that's an actual limitation
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:22:14Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "make -> made
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:22:36Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "that's an actual limitation -> that's not an actual limitation
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:25:16Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "sorry... can't type or talk apparently
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:25:30Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Options are (1) re-open JOSE + re-use JOSE-list; (2) new-WG-name + re-use JOSE-list; or (3) new-WG-name + new ML
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:30:21Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "I just heard option (1)
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:30:28Z"}, {"author": "Jeremie Miller", "text": "+1 on (1)
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:30:43Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "side meeting it is...
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:35:03Z"}, {"author": "Peter Saint-Andre", "text": "I need to drop. Thanks for the BoF.
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:35:09Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "can the side meeting use the bof time and space?
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:35:35Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "guess not...
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:35:46Z"}, {"author": "David Waite", "text": "can the side meeting be open to remote participants?
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:35:59Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Correct. Side meetings do NOT get meetecho suport
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:36:21Z"}, {"author": "Jeremie Miller", "text": "I will not be able to attend London in person but happy to participate remotely
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:37:16Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "WG and RG chairs can schedule meetecho meetings that can be used for side meetings
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:37:18Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "A side meeting will be a sign of success.
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:37:18Z"}, {"author": "Roman Danyliw", "text": "Thank you!
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:38:48Z"}, {"author": "Gabriel Bauman", "text": "Exciting stuff! Looking forward to working on this further.
", "time": "2022-10-12T18:38:55Z"}]