[{"author": "Jelte Jansen", "text": "we'll get there :)
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:06:09Z"}, {"author": "Brian Trammell", "text": "this is why i gave myself five minutes for the agenda and intro :D
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:06:51Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "was there, say, a SCION interop/developer table at the 113 hackathon?
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:27:24Z"}, {"author": "Nicola Rustignoli", "text": "Not that I'm aware of
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:27:52Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": ":thumbsup:
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:28:18Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "no it's the weekend again
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:28:35Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "was in Viienna
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:28:41Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "Is it easy for developers/tinkerers to play with it natively? (I went looking for, say, and EtherType on the IANA page...)
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:31:01Z"}, {"author": "Ralph Giles", "text": "In a similar vein, what's the status of direct kernel driver support? The only code I found seemed to be oriented toward tunnelling.
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:33:20Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) I'm follow-up to Mirja, so I'll wait until next steps.
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:38:48Z"}, {"author": "Brian Trammell", "text": "ek, ralph, should I ask those at the mic?
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:39:12Z"}, {"author": "Ralph Giles", "text": "Yes, please.
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:39:24Z"}, {"author": "Brian Trammell", "text": "will do, in order. :)
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:39:33Z"}, {"author": "Ralph Giles", "text": ":pray:
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:39:56Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "brian: if it's context appropriate, thanks. I'm fairly far behind on SCION knowledge, so don't want to distract this discussion with my current ignorance
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:40:58Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) Brian is ALWAYS in queue before me, and that's a good thing.
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:45:33Z"}, {"author": "Brian Trammell", "text": "it is indeed context appropriate :)
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:45:57Z"}, {"author": "Ralph Giles", "text": "Ok, thanks!
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:46:59Z"}, {"author": "Warren Kumari", "text": "Ooooh! Did Spencer just say that \"research (IRSG) does the hard parts, and engineering (IETF) just does the protocol parts\"? :-P
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:53:02Z"}, {"author": "Warren Kumari", "text": "Yes, but they are just here to snark, they don't *do* anything.
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:56:05Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) Lord Warren -- absolutely not (intentionally). For HIP, it was \"what do we know how to do now, and what do we need to invent?\"
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:59:11Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "try to figure out if/how existing parts can be re-used or which parts are missing rather than pre-assuming. that and reasoning why other protocols can not be used
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:59:17Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "yes, to Brian!
", "time": "2022-06-01T15:59:49Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) Gap analysis is absolutely key to good IETF experiences with new protocol proposals.
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:00:23Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "Again, I know re-using anything existing will not be optimal and for sure less good for some extend but it might still be easier to get work going
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:01:07Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) +several to Mirja
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:01:40Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "And regarding panrg: I think documenting deployments (e.g. with gateways) and experience/challenges with that is more interesting than just documenting the scion architecture
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:03:47Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) +1 Mirja. It would sure be interesting.
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:04:42Z"}, {"author": "Erik Kline", "text": "I'm curious about the difference between \"path awareness\" and \"path awareness dependence\" (and which category might better describe SCION)
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:05:03Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) So \"gap analysis\" could be the next draft to PANRG, right?
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:05:34Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) Also +1 Brian on negative results/roads not taken
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:07:26Z"}, {"author": "Jelte Jansen", "text": "muted again brian
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:10:51Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "I don't like the term gap analysis because it often just ends up in a lengthly way to say \"why we want to use our own new protocol\". But if you honestly can identify existing components that you can adopt, potentially extend and re-use that would make starting new work much easier.
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:11:18Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "so it's not about the gaps, it's about the part to re-use and how to extend them
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:12:09Z"}, {"author": "zulipbot", "text": "(Spencer Dawkins) (Not just the Scion bunch working on it)
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:20:17Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "march is asia
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:32:48Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "sf is july
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:32:57Z"}, {"author": "Nicola Rustignoli", "text": "Thank you all for the great inputs!
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:33:14Z"}, {"author": "Mirja K\u00fchlewind", "text": "Thanks!
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:33:23Z"}, {"author": "Jelte Jansen", "text": "and thank you for presenting this!
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:36:06Z"}, {"author": "Colin Perkins", "text": "Thanks everyone \u2013 this was a really interesting discussion
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:36:21Z"}, {"author": "Suresh Krishnan", "text": "Thanks all!
", "time": "2022-06-01T16:36:28Z"}]