Minutes of the 2024-08-21 IAB Business Meeting 1. Administrivia 1.1. Attendance Present: Matthew Bocci Alissa Cooper Roman Danyliw (IETF Chair) Dhruv Dhody Liz Flynn (IETF Secretariat) Cullen Jennings Suresh Krishnan Mirja Kühlewind Cindy Morgan (IAB Executive Administrative Manager) Tommy Pauly (IAB Chair) Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair) Ryan Polk (ISOC Liaison) Alvaro Retana David Schinazi John Scudder (IESG Liaison) Sabrina Tanamal (IANA Liaison) Greg Wood Qin Wu Regrets: Wes Hardaker Christopher Wood Observers: Warren Kumari timuthat88 1.2. Agenda bash and announcements 1.3. Meeting Minutes The following meeting minutes were approved: • 2024-08-07 business meeting - (submitted 2024-08-07) The following meeting minutes remain under review: • 2024-08-14 business meeting - (submitted 2024-08-14) 1.4. Action Item Review Done: • 2024-06-24: Cindy Morgan to draft text for the wiki about how to request IAB sessions for the agenda, including making sure there can be a session request in the Datatracker before scheduling requests close. On Hold: • 2023-06-07: Dhruv Dhody and Wes Hardaker to track adding IAB review of proposed WG charters to the Datatracker. See https://github.com/ietf-tools/datatracker/issues/5849 • 2024-04-17: Cindy Morgan to update the timeline for the 2025 ICANN NomCom Liaison appointment once the list of positions being filled is available. • 2024-06-24: Dhruv Dhody to coordinate a panel or other activity for APRICOT 2025/APNIC 59. - Check back October 2024 In Progress: • 2024-03-17: Liaison Managers to follow up with Martin Thomson about liaison manager for W3C. • 2024-06-12: Mirja Kühlewind to work with Wes Hardaker on prioritizing the current list of IAB requests for the Tools Team. • 2024-06-24: Liaison Coordinators + Wes Hardaker to come up with a checklist for liaison relationships. • 2024-06-25: 2024-06-24: Suresh Krishnan to draft a document obsoleting RFC 3113 (Update RFC3113 to in only high level details of the collaboration (3GPP-IETF co-ordination team) and move the details to a Wiki. Remove references to technology and org structure items that will become out of date quickly. • 2024-06-26: Suresh Krishnan, Warren Kumari, Dhruv Dhody, and Éric Vyncke will work on text around limited domains. New: • 2024-08-21: Cindy Morgan to send an e-vote for the ICANN Board Liaison appointment. 1.5. IAB Document Status Update - No Updates This Week Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/stream/iab/ • draft-iab-bias-workshop-report-02 Sent to the RFC Editor : Informational IAB Shepherd: Suresh Krishnan • draft-edm-protocol-greasing-03 Maintaining Protocols Using Grease and Variability I-D Exists, IAB stream IAB Shepherd: Not assigned 1.6. IAB Review of WG Charters - No Outstanding IAB Reviews Datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/ • Multiformats (multi) Area: ART Internal Review IESG Telechat: (None) IAB Reviewer: Qin Wu (sent 2023-09-12) 1.7 IAB Appointments • ICANN Board Liaison - Call for Feedback ended 2024-08-19 • IRTF Chair - Call for Nominations ends 2024-09-10 2. Monthly Written Reports and Other Brief Updates 2.1 IANA Liaison Report --Begin IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal-- IANA Services Liaison Report – 15 August 2024 SLA Deliverables Update: ICANN met 100% of processing goal times for the July 2024 monthly statistics report, exceeding the SLA goal to meet 90% of processing goal times. These times include the steps that ICANN has control over and not time it is waiting on requesters, document authors or other experts. Monthly reports can be found at: https://www.iana.org/performance/ietf-statistics --End IANA Liaison Report, Sabrina Tanamal-- 2.2 ICANN Liaison Report --Begin ICANN Liaison Report, Harald Alvestrand-- 2024-08-18 ICANN report This report covers the time from May 2024 to mid-August 2024, a period that encompasses the Kigali ICANN policy meeting. ICANN 80 Policy Forum - Kigali The Kigali meeting and Board workshop was held in Kigali, Rwanda from Friday, June 7 until Thursday, June 13. Approximately 1004 persons attended in person, with another 634 persons registered to attend remotely. Registration, as usual for ICANN meetings, is free of charge both locally and remotely. The largest group - 445 people, almost half the in-person attendants - came from Africa; this may be seen as supporting the theory that having the physical meetings in multiple locations is important for local attendance. (In contrast, only 77 Africans came to San Juan). Announcement of new CEO On Monday, the new CEO, Kurt Erik “Kurtis” Lindquist, was announced. The reception in the community seemed to be largely positive - nobody has anything bad to say about Kurtis, and many know him or know of him - the most negative comment I heard was about the length of time until he can step into the role (December). High Level Government Meeting - HLGM This is a session that has been a regular feature (perhaps every 2 years) of ICANN meetings, but has been on hiatus since the pandemic. It consists of inviting a number of senior representatives (primarily focused on ministerial level, but many were represented at lower levels) to get together to discuss Internet policy matters in a government-oriented forum. It has no decision power in ICANN (unlike the GAC), but serves to make a forum. Discussion topics include the ICANN Multistakeholder Model, digital inclusion, and a special session with focus on Africa. Many spoke in favor of the Multistakeholder Model - the EU rep stating “unflinching support”, for instance - plainly, nobody who wanted to speak against it had chosen to participate. Australia’s statement that “the lack of easy answers is the best argument for the multistakeholder model” perhaps illustrates that many governments have understood that “easy fixes” to Internet governance are largely illusions. There was a current in the discussions about “moderating” content, though - for instance Indonesia wanted “all countries to cooperate so that content that is illegal in one country can be prevented from entering that country” ... which is Seriously Harmful to the open Internet, if tried. (Note: ICANN is very focused on staying out of content regulation - it’s a quagmire that would harm ICANN’s ability to perform its primary mission.) The “Africa” session and several sections of the other sessions saw various ministers showcasing their specific successes and problems - some noteworthy numbers. - Bangladesh claims that 98% of their smartphones are produced in- country - Cost of bandwidth in India has dropped from 3.23 USD/GB (2014) to 0.11 (now) - Nigeria is rolling out fiber in communities, but encountering 59.000 fiber cuts per year - questioning whether it’s viable given lack of ability to coordinate - Iran claims that mobile broadband is now available in all villages > 20 households I eventually got the feeling that if everything that was said was true, reaching the unreached with Internet would be a solved problem this year - so obviously, it’s not likely to be all true.... New TLDs As noted earlier, I’m recused from internal Board discussions on this topic, so I’ve asked Wes Hardaker to report if there’s anything non-public that needs reporting. The plan-of-today was presented in Kigali, of course, and corridor chitchat has some people outraged that the TLDs in this round look to be as expensive as in the previous round. Given the large uncertainty on the project (first of all that the number of applications is unknowable), that’s not very surprising. Other hot topics include applicant support (making sure that people with less money have a chance of competing) and rules for what restrictions registries can promise to put on themselves (known as RVCs or PICs), and whether ICANN can do anything if they make promises and then break them (“enforceability of PICs” is the keyword here). Statements of Interest There’s been a huge amount of discussion in the GNSO about declaring “who you’re working for” - with most people saying “this is vital to the transparency of the decision-making”, and some people saying “.... but we may not be allowed to tell”. No effective consensus has been reached on how this can be reconciled - but the massive desire for such disclosure has been clearly understood. Name Collision The SSAC work on the NCAP project (“what happens if someone gets a TLD that someone else is using as a local name”) is finished. It recommends that the new TLD process contain a fairly beefed-up testing-and-monitoring function that is able to detect whether a given name can turn out to be an issue before delegation is decided. Then we can do a serious risk assessment before allocation. Still no clear advice on how to make a decision on .corp, .home and .mail, however. Strategic Plan There was a public meeting held on the ICANN 5-year strategic plan. Not a great deal of controversy, but several points were raised - “incentive for closure” was one; “we’re pulling our punches on outcomes” was another - a more effective ICANN would be a better ICANN. (the report from Kigali ends here) ICANN layoffs As previously reported, ICANN has recognized a serious difference between projected income and projected outlay. One of the action items was to seriously consider staffing - the result of that consideration was a decision to terminate 34 staff (out of a total of 470+); this was announced shortly before the Kigali meeting. Not many people were surprised by the fact of layoffs; people with private-sector background had usually seen the signs before. There will be future hires - among other things, the new Ombudsperson is now hired - and in some cases, new hires will be brought on board to fulfil urgent operational needs (although work with known end dates is more likely to be done by contractors). There may also be more terminations in the future. But this block should be the biggest adjustment that was needed. So far, nothing has been decided on adjusting ICANN’s fee structure, but that is definitely a topic for discussion - the GNSO will want to have input on how we set the rules for this. IDN work ICANN’s Universal Acceptance work is, as I see it, becoming more operational and less talk-focused. The “UA Day” work has been a success in gathering attention, and especially in showing that universal acceptance is a global issue, with workshops across the globe. ICANN is also contributing at a technical level, making contributions to widely used open source software in order to fix its UA issues. This builds reputation that makes ICANN a more credible partner when it asks commercial entities to join in getting their stuff up to speed. .internal approval The ICANN board resolved on July 29 to reserve the domain name “.internal” for private use, issuing a guarantee that it will not be allocated in the future. This closes out a 4-year process that started out with the SSAC 113 report; the active communication between the IAB and ICANN on the issue was noted in the resolution. Legal matters ICANN has been named as a defendant in a lawsuit by an ex- employee. As people familiar with the US legal system will understand, individual board members have been asked to refrain from commenting publicly on the matter. --End ICANN Liaison Report, Harald Alvestrand-- 2.3 IRTF Chair Report --Begin IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins-- IRTF Chair report to the IAB for the month ending 2024-08-19 Research Groups New chairs appointed for RASPRG: thanks to Niels ten Oever who has stepped down and will be replaced by Alvaro Retana; Ignacio Castro continues. Following a review during IETF 120, RASPRG was approved as a full RG. HRPC rechartering remains on hold. ANRP Award talks at IETF 120 were well received. Expect talks by Sawsan El-Zahr and Mingshi Wu at IETF 121 in Dublin. Planning for ANRP in 2025 is starting. ANRW Successful ANRW at IETF 120 in Vancouver, thanks to Jayasree Sengupta, Simone Ferlin-Reiter, and Ignacio Castro for organising. The full programme, with links to papers and presentations, can be found at https://www.irtf.org/anrw/2024/program.html. Planning for ANRW 2025 is starting. Documents and Errata In RG Last Call: draft-irtf-nmrg-ai-challenges draft-irtf-cfrg-dnhpke Waiting for IRTF Chair: draft-irtf-cfrg-opaque draft-fluhrer-lms-more-parm-sets draft-irtf-iccrg-rledbat draft-irtf-coinrg-use-cases Awaiting IRSG Reviews: draft-irtf-cfrg-aead-properties draft-irtf-nmrg-green-ps IRSG Review: draft-irtf-cfrg-kangarootwelve Sent to the RFC Editor: draft-irtf-hrpc-guidelines Other Activities Applications for diversity travel grants for IETF 121 in Dublin are now being accepted (https://www.irtf.org/travelgrants/). Thanks to Netflix, Comcast, Akamai, and Google for their support. IRTF code of conduct (draft-perkins-irtf-code-of-conduct) is being finalised. Strong feedback received from the IRSG and others, and a call for review was made during the IRTF Open Meeting and IETF Plenary at IETF 120 in Vancouver. Expect this to go to IRTF last call soon. --End IRTF Chair Report, Colin Perkins-- 2.4 IAB Outreach Coordinator Report --Begin IAB Outreach Update, Dhruv Dhody-- Here is an update from the IAB Outreach Coordinator. - There were no outreach activities this month. - Some key upcoming events of importance are: - APRIGF in Taipei (Aug 2024) - APNIC 58 in New Zealand (Aug-Sept 2024) - Summit of Future in NYC (Sept 2024) (GDC) - ITU-WTSA/GSS in New Delhi (Oct 2024) - Grace Hopper in Philadelphia (Oct 2024) - IAB NEMOPS workshop outreach planning - NANOG92 and ARIN54 in Toronto (Oct 2024) (Qin and Kent) - RIPE89 in Prague (Oct 2024) (Benoit and Med) - LACNIC42/LACNOG, Paraguay (Oct 2024) (Benoit) - AutoConn2 in Denver (Nov 2024) (Mahesh) - APRICOT2025/APNIC59 (Dhruv) - NANOG93 (Suresh) - News: - IAB decided to participate in APRICOT2025/APNIC59 in Dhaka in Feb 2025. - We still need to shortlist an internet governance event for 2025. --End IAB Outreach Update, Dhruv Dhody-- 2.5 Tools Liaison Report --Begin Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker-- <2024-08-13 Tue> Official notes many services moved before IETF-120 - only a very few things not moved - lots of measurement metrics added - lots of insights on what to focus on next - should be able to reduce level of resources for IETF-121 - IETF-120 didn’t use as much as was assigned - will reduce some costs mailman move summary - ietf-a should be closed down within the next couple of weeks to month - plan is in good shape overall yang modules available in github - https://github.com/YangModels/yang - there was some loss at some point, but is now fixed - now archived into the tools-team with fixed access tokens - essentially broken for 8 months – did anyone notice and is it used? - likely yes (eg, 1.2k forks) granting rights on pre-rfc5378 contributions to the trust - will be creating a mechanism to grant pre-rfc5378 contributions to the trust - a problem for bis documents in particular - pdf generated and then docusigned - discussion started from me about how to deal with assignment rights for people vs organizations, and who has signing authority and what happens when companies no longer exist, for example idnits2 vs idnits3 - will be xml-first based - plug-gable system for easy reuse into your workflow - related id3nits web page AOB - will be requiring submissions to be xml with fixed xincludes - code sprint will move on 121 to see if we get a different set of people - iesg dislikes the errata verification portal - status? - discussions only at this point, no actual design - looking at what a complete overhaul would look like - every step of the process needs to be thought about --End Tools Liaison Report, Wes Hardaker-- 3. Moving the iab-vote list to iab.org The Tools Team would like to turn off i1b.org. The domain contains only one active mail list, iab-vote@i1b.org. After the ICANN Board appointment is concluded, this list will be moved to iab.org. 4. Executive Session: ICANN Board Liaison Appointment The ICANN Board Liaison appointment was discussed in executive session. 5. Next IAB Meeting The next IAB meeting will be in two weeks on 2024-09-04.