[{"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

meeting minutes: https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2024-nmop-01-nmop#

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:02:13Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

hi everybody

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:03:00Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

hello

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:04:05Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

Hi Med

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:04:15Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

I have uploaded an updated version of the slides few minutes ago but they do not yet appear on data tracker

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:04:33Z"}, {"author": "Ignacio Martinez-Casanueva", "text": "

Hello!

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:04:44Z"}, {"author": "Samier Barguil", "text": "

HI all!

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:05:12Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Graf", "text": "

Dear Italo, I just approved. Your slides should be visible now.

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:08:37Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

Thomas Graf said:

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Dear Italo, I just approved. Your slides should be visible now.

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Confirmed: Thanks Thomas

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:13:31Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

not sure if it is just myself i do not see the presentation it is just a blank box

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:13:52Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

I see the slides.

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:14:05Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Graf", "text": "

I see as well

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:14:12Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

ACK here as well

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:14:16Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

well just myself then...

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:14:32Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

time to try new browser i suspect

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:15:08Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ogondio-nmop-ospf-topology/ posted today.

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:18:47Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

well i have tried 4 browsers, 2 different PCs, and 3 different networks, all provide same outcome which is just shoing \" a screen share is being started and nothing else\" run out of networks and PC to try

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:29:52Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

On my side, I had to exit my VPN.

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:30:21Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

I'm not on a VPN...both fixed network and mobile

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:30:53Z"}, {"author": "Samier Barguil", "text": "

In my case, it worked with and without VPN

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:34:31Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

Nigle, not offline please

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:35:02Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

makes it hard to follow and contribute to the discussion. I've run out of alternatives to join and contribute unfortunately. All networks and all clients show the same item of blanks presentation just the statement that screen share has started. Guess it will be easier to watch the recording after the meeting instead,

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:35:13Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

please share the comment on the list. Thanks

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:35:14Z"}, {"author": "Lou Berger", "text": "

aren't the slides uploaded?

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:37:09Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

yes, all the slides are online

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:37:23Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Graf", "text": "

slides are available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2024-nmop-01/session/nmop

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:37:29Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

Brad:, meetecho-support@ietf.org IIRC

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:37:32Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

The file sahred by Olga can be found at https://github.com/ietf-wg-nmop/Misc/tree/main/Digital-Map-Analysis

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:38:51Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

thanks

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:39:02Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

Benoit, that email address is unfortunately invalid and bounces. Will dig through the tracker page to find the correct address or alternative just thought I'd let you know.

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:44:56Z"}, {"author": "Vishnu Beeram", "text": "

In hindsight, a better name for the data model in RFC8795 would have been TE aware topology data model (would have avoided a fair bit of confusion)

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:45:47Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

Brad: support@ietf.org (from https://www.ietf.org/meeting/technology/meetecho-guide-participant/)

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:46:25Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

thanks Benoit

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:47:43Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

Vishnu Beeram said:

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In hindsight, a better name for the data model in RFC8795 would have been TE aware topology data model (would have avoided a fair bit of confusion)

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I agree: the naming and scope in RFC8795 are a bit confusing. We need to clarify this in TEAS WG

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:50:10Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

I did right before the call based on my on-going review of a previous version: I have noted the new version is much better formatted

", "time": "2024-06-04T14:55:06Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

yes i can see your slides now...did not change anything...

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:00:05Z"}, {"author": "Robert Wilton", "text": "

Sorry for being late - child exam lift duties ...

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:01:59Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

I think that backward compatibility requires more detailed considerations: for the sake of saving meeting time, let's discuss on the list

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:03:55Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

@brad: \"yes i can see your slides now...did not change anything...\" It seems that you got a sudden promotion

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:06:39Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

and now the slides have disappeared again

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:07:31Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

have lodged a ticket

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:07:51Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "

seems like it is some thing with webrtc when changing between presentations that is broken

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:09:09Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

@Italo: What would be helpful is to share the rationale for some design choices in the TE model, especially the various termination points. This will also help understand if navigating among levels, with or without tunnels in place.

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:16:42Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "

I like the interactive discussions, even you don't use the \"raise hand\" feature but please don't speak over each other.

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:21:52Z"}, {"author": "Vishnu Beeram", "text": "

@Med - the rationale for most of the design choices made for the TE topology data model should be covered in RFC8795 (it would be useful to start a thread on the TEAS list for questions on the specific design choices of interest); with regards to termination points, the need for distinction between LTP and TTP should be obvious from the descriptions in the document -- we can discuss this more in detail on the list..

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:28:54Z"}, {"author": "Vishnu Beeram", "text": "

would recommend limiting the \"TE topology profile\" discussion to 10 mins and spend more time on this presentation..

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:30:31Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

Italo was referring to this part for the directionality decision: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8345#section-4.4.5

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:31:22Z"}, {"author": "Robert Wilton", "text": "

There is a also a downside to being able to model the same thing two different ways. If we allow this then it would be useful to have clear guidance.

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:35:19Z"}, {"author": "Oscar de Dios", "text": "

in sake of time, will make comments on the list

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:37:37Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

Thanks Oscar. Please use both teas/nmop in dst.

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:39:08Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

A concern with profiling is that it requires to interpret narrative text instead of manipulating inherent modeling functions.

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:50:26Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

Robert Wilton said:

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There is a also a downside to being able to model the same thing two different ways. If we allow this then it would be useful to have clear guidance.

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I fully agree

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:57:26Z"}, {"author": "Oscar de Dios", "text": "

perfect! We can start discussing on the lists

", "time": "2024-06-04T15:58:36Z"}, {"author": "Oscar de Dios", "text": "

Face to face meeting with a whiteboard would be extremely helpful, specially talking about topologies....

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:00:27Z"}, {"author": "Lou Berger", "text": "

thanks all...

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:07Z"}, {"author": "Samier Barguil", "text": "

thanks

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:33Z"}, {"author": "Italo Busi", "text": "

Oscar de Dios said:

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Face to face meeting with a whiteboard would be extremely helpful, specially talking about topologies....

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I agree :)

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Should we plan some side meeting(s) in Vancouver?

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:33Z"}, {"author": "Robert Wilton", "text": "

Thanks all

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:34Z"}, {"author": "Mohamed Boucadair", "text": "

https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2024-nmop-01-nmop?edit#

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:39Z"}, {"author": "Vishnu Beeram", "text": "

thanks for today's discussion.. looking forward to the discussion on the list..

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:42Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Graf", "text": "

Thanks everybody

", "time": "2024-06-04T16:01:42Z"}]