Can anyone hear my audio?
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:01:34Z"}, {"author": "Nancy Cam-Winget", "text": "Ned, we can hear you
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:02:01Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "I volunteered already
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:03:59Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Usama Sardar", "text": "I can help if needed
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:04:01Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "Hi everyone.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:06:32Z"}, {"author": "Mike Ounsworth", "text": "Hello
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:06:40Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Usama Sardar", "text": "can someone share the link for minutes? The link here https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/rats/meetings/ seems disabled.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:08:06Z"}, {"author": "Ned Smith", "text": "https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2024-rats-01-rats
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:09:10Z"}, {"author": "Muhammad Usama Sardar", "text": "Thanks.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:10:03Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "i';m sick. I won't make meeting.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:15:46Z"}, {"author": "Giridhar Mandyam", "text": "\"simplifying policy\"? Wouldn't each verifier still need a separate appraisal policy?
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:17:46Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "Good question, Giri
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:18:15Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "Is there an interoperability issue that needs to be taken into account with this approach? It looks like an implementation strategy to me
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:20:00Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": ":point_up:
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:21:33Z"}, {"author": "Kathleen Moriarty", "text": "Feel better, Michael!
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:25:52Z"}, {"author": "Ghada ARFAOUI", "text": "is it the same evidence that is sent to all verifiers? or the Relying party will transform the evidence depending on the verifier ?
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:28:04Z"}, {"author": "Ghada ARFAOUI", "text": "are verifier A, B and C instances of the same verifier?
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:33:05Z"}, {"author": "zhang jun", "text": "verifier A, B, C are different verifiers
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:33:32Z"}, {"author": "Kathleen Moriarty", "text": "The posture assessment draft already has a mechanism to reduce duplication, but at the source where that evidence is transparent and traceable for an auditor.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:34:23Z"}, {"author": "Ghada ARFAOUI", "text": "So the verifiers A, B and C are going to verify the property but using different ways ?
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:37:28Z"}, {"author": "Ghada ARFAOUI", "text": "How do you aggregate the attestation results ?
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:38:02Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "Henk, we cannot hear you
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:39:01Z"}, {"author": "Carl Wallace", "text": "I don't really follow how a relying party is supposed to adjudicate a misbehaving trusted (!) verifier.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:39:14Z"}, {"author": "zhang jun", "text": "the aggregation part is left open currently.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:39:17Z"}, {"author": "Ned Smith", "text": "Carl Wallace said:
\n\n\nI don't really follow how a relying party is supposed to adjudicate a misbehaving trusted (!) verifier.
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I think resillience is one of the use cases. But not if they produce different results
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:40:08Z"}, {"author": "Carl Wallace", "text": "Sure. It's the different results and the allocation of responsibility for making sense of different results that loses me.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:40:59Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "It would be good to talk about what level of \"compromise\" of the verifier we are talking about
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:41:16Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "I apologize for constantly traveling. I understand it is painful.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:42:24Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "Internet connectivity on the D-Bahn can be difficult...
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:43:22Z"}, {"author": "zhang jun", "text": "\"Carl Wallace
\n16:39
\nI don't really follow how a relying party is supposed to adjudicate a misbehaving trusted (!) verifier.\" The verifier manager will handle it as it is more knowledgeable. Such verifiers will not be recommended later.
Verifier manager makes more sense (though at that point the verifier manager is essentially a verifier). I'll read the next edition. Thanks.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:48:21Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "I wonder whether it is a good idea to separate the concept over two drafts given they seem to belong together
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:48:39Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "It also appears that the Verifier Manager is actually a single point of failure in the architecture.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:49:10Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "If usama can move ned's mouse cursor we need more rats
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:50:36Z"}, {"author": "zhang jun", "text": "Verifier Manager is a translator in nature which can be implemented in a distributed way to prevent the single point of failure.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:50:39Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "I wondering whether Thomas F. has a story for Verifier scalability. I am sure many people will be asking themselves the same question as you did.
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:54:36Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Fossati", "text": "yep, more than one actually ;-). Greg Kostal (Azure) too is someone with significant operational experience in this area
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:56:23Z"}, {"author": "Hannes Tschofenig", "text": "I wonder whether we can leverage expertise from the Web area
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:57:57Z"}, {"author": "Ghada ARFAOUI", "text": "thanks
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:58:16Z"}, {"author": "Henk Birkholz", "text": "thx, bb!
", "time": "2024-09-27T14:58:28Z"}]