[{"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

I have been thinking about solutions, and I now strongly think that this should be in a reverse map, possibly not the one under .arpa.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:03:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

Tommy, you're cutting in and out for me

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:05:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

I cannot understand a word

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:05:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

The draft is here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-fainchtein-diem-use-cases/

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:09:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

And the GitHub repo: https://github.com/rahelFain/combined-diem-uses-reqs

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:09:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

https://github.com/rahelFain/combined-diem-uses-reqs

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:09:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Reminder to participants: those who takes notes for WG meetings experience greater joy throughout their lives

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:11:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

Editor's copy: https://rahelfain.github.io/combined-diem-uses-reqs/draft-fainchtein-diem-use-cases.html

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:12:12.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

The text is unreadable - or I'm getting old. Could somebody please embiggen it? Thanks.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:12:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

sorry Jim, this better?

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:12:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Nothing's changed Tommy. Are you meant to be showing what looks like a github page?

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:14:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

no it should have updated... one sec

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:14:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

I could see the screen being updated earlier

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:14:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

how about now?

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:14:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

looks fine to me

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:15:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

The new screen is better but the text is still too small for me. Sorry Tommy.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:16:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

how about now?

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:17:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

No change. :-( I'll just suck it up.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:17:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

that thanks Rohan (I apparently need a new mic)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:18:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

Jim, feel free to look instead at: https://rahelfain.github.io/combined-diem-uses-reqs/draft-fainchtein-diem-use-cases.html

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:18:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

we are currently walking through section 3

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:19:20.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Thanks Rohan. FWIW Tommy the shared screen is on Section 5.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:20:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Jim, I'm choosing to blame your ISP

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:20:32.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

It is updated for me

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:20:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

This I-D has not yet been adopted?

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:20:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

no, we are introducing it to the folks on the call

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:21:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

No, this is the -00 that can be an adoption candidate

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:21:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Well Tommy, I'm choosing to blame your mic! :-)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:22:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

touche ;-)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:22:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Bill Woodcock", "text": "

\"Protect\" is a very narrow construal. Only a few emblems are about protection.
\nAlso, there's no problem with IP addresses or in-addr.arpa or ip6.arpa.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:24:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

Yes, marking IP addresses would require a recharter. I guess the question is: Is there value in labelling domain names only? I believe so. IP addresses don't give you a straight-forward way to exclude \"collateral damage\" either, don't they? Maybe I'm missing something.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:24:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

@chairs: Can I jump in here?

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:26:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Felix, Rahel: you can both respond to the mic line as presenters without asking, no worries

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:27:01.000Z"}, {"author": "Casey Deccio", "text": "

There was some question about whether URL might be more general appropriate than simply FQDN.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:27:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Mauro Vignati", "text": "

We have

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:27:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Casey Deccio", "text": "

But we left it as FQDN because that was what was in the charter.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:27:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

My point is that if we have folks saying FQDN is useful we don't necessarily need to expand scope to ship value... if those cyber operators are saying that FQDN does nothing for them, we should be clear about that.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:28:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

Orie Steele said:

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My point is that if we have folks saying FQDN is useful we don't necessarily need to expand scope to ship value... if those cyber operators are saying that FQDN does nothing for them, we should be clear about that.

\n
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Ah yes, I think we're in agreement then!

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:29:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

(Or what Bill said)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:29:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

My advice (with AD hat one) is make the use cases document reflect real use cases pulled from conversations with real experts.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:30:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

Orie Steele said:

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My advice (with AD hat one) is make the use cases document reflect real use cases pulled from conversations with real experts.

\n
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That is my goal. The draft is an invitation to receive feedback. Ultimately, we will need to re-evaluate the draft based on that feedback.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:31:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Chair hat on, to us the chairs and the coauthors: Orie is hinting we aggressively share the -00 ahead of the meeting

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:31:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

(I assume)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:32:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Allison Mankin", "text": "

Orie, multiple of the authors and colleagues have been engaged in conversations with real experts on the included use cases, and they are currently rather terse but can be expanded

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:32:19.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Yes felix.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:32:27.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

awesome

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:32:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

When you feel comfortable, you may ask the wider art area list if you are struggling for reviews of the draft : )

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:33:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Comfort is for the weak, let's do it

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:34:12.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

Jim's point about how 8.7.6.4.in-addr.arpa is a FQDN is well taken, but not exactly relevant. I will write an email about this.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:34:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

FWIW Michael, you know we're using non-routable IPv6 addresses to identify drones. And E.164 phone numbers can be found under .arpa.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:36:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

sounds good to me : )

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:38:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Rahel: +1, I think that's a good idea (said then left tbd)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:38:31.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Works for me Rohan. FQDNs aren't necessarily the only game in town even if they end up being the most useful.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:38:44.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

currently discussing 3.1.2 for those who cannot see the share

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:40:02.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

on to 3.2.1

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:41:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

Note, the text says \"For example... [an] FQDN...\"

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:42:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

(through 3.2.2, on to 3.2.3)

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:45:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

wheeee, on to 3.4

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:46:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Jim Reid", "text": "

Yes. This is a good point for a CFA

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:48:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Casey Deccio", "text": "

Yes, I think we should adopt

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:49:03.000Z"}, {"author": "Bill Woodcock", "text": "

Bottom-up categorization.

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:53:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

adoption is not the finish line : )

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:58:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

its the start : )

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:58:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Casey Deccio", "text": "

a finish line

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:58:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

ha

", "time": "2025-10-01T17:58:32.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

:+1: Thanks, Tommy

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:02:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

Adoption is at the chairs whim. The \"2-week adoption call\" is a cargo-culted thing, and is not part of our formal process. Only WGLC is. Just adopt it already, stop over thinking this.

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:03:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Felix Linker", "text": "

Good point, Allison. Call for adoption as a new source for input for use cases before we refine them. Hadn't thought of that.

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:03:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Tommy Jensen", "text": "

Michael, digging the energy. I think we definitely will be doing CFA, but I'm not one to break with the fortnight tradition, especially in a young WG

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:04:21.000Z"}, {"author": "Michael Richardson", "text": "

I don't think the charter needs to tell us what an Emblem is. This document should tell us.

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:06:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Casey Deccio", "text": "

I have to run, but I support a CFA to the mailing list. Thanks!

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:07:23.000Z"}, {"author": "Alex Rosenberg", "text": "

Do we have any indication when in the week at IETF-124 we meet?

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:10:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Orie Steele", "text": "

Thanks chairs!

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:10:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Mauro Vignati", "text": "

Thank you!

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:10:18.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

not yet Alex

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:10:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Alex Rosenberg", "text": "

Darn. I just detest paying for a whole week there.

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:10:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Rahel Fainchtein", "text": "

Thank you!

", "time": "2025-10-01T18:10:55.000Z"}]