I'm not getting audio. I may reboot and return to you shortly.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:02:43Z"}, {"author": "Kenneth Murchison", "text": "good morning/afternoon
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:03:16Z"}, {"author": "Paul Wouters", "text": "same i just popped in
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:10:09Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "You can always nag me, FWIW. I was going to look anyway, but I'm not the brightest bulb on all of the SMTP issues.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:12:55Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "Belated Good Morning!
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:13:20Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "I have to drop at the half hour.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:13:22Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "John drinks from the empty half of the glass. Alexey (along with me) always drink from the full half.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:17:37Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "It's possible I will have some time to contribute to the AS after 122.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:17:41Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "(energy to edit, review, comment, etc.)
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:18:27Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Paul, have you looked at the current AS at all?
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:18:41Z"}, {"author": "Paul Wouters", "text": "not sure if that is true. I bounced a mail received by paul@nohats.ca from there using \"bounce\" to gmail and they refused my msg
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:22:59Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "I think it is clear that there are several people who will complain and who have already started.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:23:23Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "There are definitely places that require SPF or DKIM.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:23:44Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Whether that means we have to write about that is a different question.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:24:04Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "Just to throw some numbers around, I would estimate DKIM/SPF are required by a handful of operators, some large. But virtually any serious operator expects STARTTLS these days.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:24:06Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "I guess it depends on whether we think the former will trend upwards.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:24:17Z"}, {"author": "Todd Herr", "text": "\"requirement\" for doing SPF/DKIM is an elastic term, even for Google and Yahoo
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:25:21Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "There may be a day where it is more required than it is today, but that's down the line.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:27:03Z"}, {"author": "Murray Kucherawy", "text": "Dropping in about two minutes. Will follow up with you as needed about the IANA stuff; I still need to read the issue and discussion so far.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:28:40Z"}, {"author": "Todd Herr", "text": "@pete Correct
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:31:25Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Can someone reconstitute the discussion that made us allow for Informational?
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:33:05Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "So we are dropping Informational from Model 1, but adding explanatory text to Model 2
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:43:55Z"}, {"author": "Alexey Melnikov", "text": "Yes!
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:44:05Z"}, {"author": "Todd Herr", "text": "\"model\" == \"bullet\"?
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:44:25Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Section 8.1.1.1 actually uses the terms \"Model\"
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:44:50Z"}, {"author": "Paul Wouters", "text": "yes i can
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:45:37Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "Alexey lost sound
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:45:50Z"}, {"author": "Barry Leiba", "text": "We hear you.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:47:01Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "We hear everyone (including Alexey)
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:47:01Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "We heard that.
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:47:32Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "John has a nice clicky keyboard!
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:48:17Z"}, {"author": "Paul Wouters", "text": "i am hopping to other things too. just wanted to be here for the iesg discuss
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:49:44Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "As I have been able to reconstruct it from ancient notes (we are talking about nearly 40 years now), Alexey's comment is key -- these were incorporated into Sendmail but never documents or registered for the community. Postel therefore registered them on his own initiative to note the name and provide a \"if you have questions, go ask him\" pointer
", "time": "2025-01-17T16:49:51Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "(If you must, let's make whatever frustration about \"IANA\" instead of about particular people.)
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:16:43Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "Thanks Pete, but this person made it about her by contradicting the one official IANA review we have.
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:34:34Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "That strikes me as something that (as you indicated) should be said to those who run the relationship with IANA and not in the WG discussion.
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:37:12Z"}, {"author": "John Klensin", "text": "which I was discouraged from doing in real time because it would completely derail the document until IANA cleared its \"not OK\"
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:39:35Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "+1 to John
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:40:19Z"}, {"author": "Pete Resnick", "text": "(regarding the interim)
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:40:37Z"}, {"author": "Kenneth Murchison", "text": "bye all
", "time": "2025-01-17T17:41:49Z"}]