[{"author": "Boris Khasanov", "text": "<p>Hi!</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:00:19Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "<p>Hi everybody, please help with the note taking <a href=\"https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2025-nmop-03-nmop\">https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2025-nmop-03-nmop</a></p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:03:05Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Graf", "text": "<p>The notes are taken here. Please verify and contribute: <a href=\"https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2025-nmop-03-nmop\">https://notes.ietf.org/notes-ietf-interim-2025-nmop-03-nmop</a></p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:06:18Z"}, {"author": "Mahesh Jethanandani", "text": "<p>Can someone post the Meetecho link for the interim here?</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:20:58Z"}, {"author": "Robert Wilton", "text": "<p><a href=\"https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?group=5378647b-d005-4964-aedd-a7ad95e80664\">https://meetings.conf.meetecho.com/interim/?group=5378647b-d005-4964-aedd-a7ad95e80664</a></p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:21:27Z"}, {"author": "Mahesh Jethanandani", "text": "<p>Thanks</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:23:21Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>alternative to protege vocbench/showvoc <a href=\"https://vocbench.uniroma2.it/doc/\">https://vocbench.uniroma2.it/doc/</a> which support rfs and owl</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T14:33:35Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>that lack of semantic understanding across different business units is also a potential security vulnerability as seen by salt typhoon</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:02:48Z"}, {"author": "Rapha\u00ebl Troncy", "text": "<p>Links to EXCELLENT MOOC to learn Semantic Web technologies:</p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https://www.fun-mooc.fr/en/courses/introduction-web-linked-data/\">https://www.fun-mooc.fr/en/courses/introduction-web-linked-data/</a></li>\n<li><a href=\"https://open.hpi.de/courses/semanticweb\">https://open.hpi.de/courses/semanticweb</a></li>\n</ul>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:03:27Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "<p>draft related to the current presentation: draft-mackey-nmop-kg-for-netops</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:07:11Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>from an ops aspect there is alot of hetrogeneous data in many different locations and hence the ontology gives and ability to link the data together into a overall concept that aligns with Netops needs</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:13:12Z"}, {"author": "Ignacio Martinez-Casanueva", "text": "<p>We are testing GraphDB database, which comes with a free license</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:17:50Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>would be interested to here from others on the high level architecture and discuss the challeneges and what IETF can contribute to standardise the concepts and ontology potentially for re-usabiity</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:18:22Z"}, {"author": "Beno\u00eet Claise", "text": "<p>Brad: this is exactly what we want to cover in the last section.</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:18:49Z"}, {"author": "Rapha\u00ebl Troncy", "text": "<p>Yes, I would also mention GraphDB which has a strong and scalable offering.<br>\nYou can add Neptune from AWS as well</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:19:20Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>LPG is easier to learn because it is data graph and there is no abstraction....essentially a physical this relates to that...</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:23:04Z"}, {"author": "Rapha\u00ebl Troncy", "text": "<p>To be complete on the Triple Store topic, MilleniumDB may be worth to watch as well, <a href=\"https://github.com/MillenniumDB/MillenniumDB\">https://github.com/MillenniumDB/MillenniumDB</a> ... open source project that aims to be the Postgress of Graph database. It supports both LPG and RDF graphs ... BUT, as of today, it is not yet SPARQL complete.</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:24:34Z"}, {"author": "Boris Khasanov", "text": "<p>If i understand correcty  ontologies are  not always use-cases driven...</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:30:57Z"}, {"author": "Michael Mackey", "text": "<p>GraphDB a good option as well but also only a single instance ... almost all of these dbs are in memory dbs in a single instance and scale to the size of memory available, you need to pay to go beyond that with clustering</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:32:52Z"}, {"author": "Thomas Graf", "text": "<p>@Boris: Correct. It describes relationships. subject &lt; predicate &gt; object. It is equally understandable for machines and humans.</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:33:31Z"}, {"author": "Michael Mackey", "text": "<p>They design with \"Competancy Questions\" ... its the equivalent of UCS for the model</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:34:30Z"}, {"author": "Michael Mackey", "text": "<p>What questions do you want the model to answer</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:34:48Z"}, {"author": "Boris Khasanov", "text": "<p>@Thomas - thanks!</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:35:19Z"}, {"author": "Ignacio Martinez-Casanueva", "text": "<p>@Boris, an ontology should be scoped to a particular use case, otherwise there is a risk of modeling the universe  :D</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:39:54Z"}, {"author": "Ignacio Martinez-Casanueva", "text": "<p>That's also the purpose of competency questions, which aim to solve a specific problem</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:40:33Z"}, {"author": "Boris Khasanov", "text": "<p>@Ignacio - yes, understand that. I mentioned that Just for the sake of clarify that there could be more universal ones than just pure one use-case</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:43:07Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>in short there is no concept that enables linking between models</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:49:57Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>create modular ontoloy models that can be reused plug and play</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:50:47Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>items originally the paper  for rtege comide plugin</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:51:17Z"}, {"author": "Robert Wilton", "text": "<p>Being able to relate different network management and telemetry data sets and schemas together is obviously a problem to solve.</p>\n<p>It isn't clear to me that RDF or OWL is the answer - since I question whether it will scale/perform sufficiently.</p>\n<p>It is a bit unclear to me what the experiment would be within NMOP</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T15:56:18Z"}, {"author": "Richard Kilmurray", "text": "<p>3GPP have attempted to create a Federated Network Information Model (FNIM) in TS 32.107</p>\n<p>But it's not expressed in terms of a KG and doesn't seem to have progressed far beyond the conceptual</p>\n<p><a href=\"https://portal.3gpp.org/desktopmodules/Specifications/SpecificationDetails.aspx?specificationId=1852\">https://portal.3gpp.org/desktopmodules/Specifications/SpecificationDetails.aspx?specificationId=1852</a></p>", "time": "2025-05-21T16:02:13Z"}, {"author": "Robert Wilton", "text": "<p>I don't think that you were ever want an ontology within an RFC, if there was a RFC I that it would be about how to do the process, and the Ontology would end up in github.</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T16:03:48Z"}, {"author": "Diego Lopez", "text": "<p>Agreed with T</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T16:05:58Z"}, {"author": "Diego Lopez", "text": "<p>Agree with Rob on this! What we probably should explore are methodologies for building ontologies and/or protocols or ways to make them available</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T16:06:47Z"}, {"author": "Boris Khasanov", "text": "<p>+1 Diego</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T16:07:56Z"}, {"author": "Brad Peters", "text": "<p>should we not have a defined network ontology modules that defines the standard vocabulary for the network ontology? So what would the ontology for a VPN look like</p>", "time": "2025-05-21T16:08:57Z"}]