[{"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

can't connect to meetecho-interims.ietf.org, blocked in Russia

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:00:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

Vadim, can you use a VPN?

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:01:23.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

there was a (once again) DDoS attack on my VPN at night

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:01:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

There is work to be done on the document that went into the WGLC.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:04:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Ira McDonald", "text": "

Please do not demote EDN to Experimental - this would be fatal for adoption by other SDOs

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:14:25.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

I tried via sock5 proxy by ssh some@france, see slides but no sound

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:15:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

From: Thomas Fossati <tfossati@nvidia.com>
\nSubject: Re: [Cbor] Re: Reminder: CBOR WG Virtual Meeting on 2026-07-08
\nDate: July 8, 2026 at 16:16:05 GMT+2
\nTo: Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@ietf.contact>, Rohan Mahy <rohan.mahy@gmail.com>, Barry Leiba <barryleiba@gmail.com>
\nCc: CBOR Working Group <cbor@ietf.org>
\nArchived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/cbor/cjHYfR-doCZW-sY8y0WBp9GMuow>
\nList-Id: <cbor.ietf.org>

\n

Hi, heavy EDN consumer here.

\n

I don't think a \"royal rumble\" approach to sorting things out is going to end well. Quite the contrary, in fact.

\n

My humble advice would be to avoid conducting this experiment.

\n

cheers!

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:21:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Thomas just moved, so datatracker does not know his new address

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:22:08.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

There are extensions to ABNF for example

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:23:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

If you use an earlier versin of the tool that doesn't support the extension, it fails. Use a better tool. I would expect the same in the EDN ecosystem if we publish a minimal subset.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:24:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

Things that can be removed most easily:

\n", "time": "2026-07-08T14:27:41.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

I can't hear sound, given what I see in notes taking, JH/LL proposal is most realistic

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:28:51.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

Why shutdown if there are much more work than edn/serialization/packed on queue?

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:32:39.000Z"}, {"author": "Laurence Lundblade", "text": "

Shutdown is because, as the chairs said, the WG is not succeeding.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:33:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Rohan Mahy", "text": "

I asked an AI agent to come up with a list of RFCs referencing EDN. It came up with only 12. I will look through those 12 and see what features they use

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:33:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

(We are not the TLS list.)

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:35:36.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

what's in TLS list?

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:36:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Mikolai G\u00fctschow", "text": "

https://nsa.2026.action.cr.yp.to/

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:37:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Extension points are for adding things later. But do we have \"features\" in extension points?

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:41:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Mikolai G\u00fctschow", "text": "

I think Joe was referring to potential future revisions

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:41:37.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

the only thing crucial for ability to add features later is pragma/version

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:42:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

no, as long as there is a syntax that will break a tool that only supports the minimal version.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:43:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

so as long as #pragma<<'foo'>> is invalid in the minimal set, it can be added in a separate doc.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:44:04.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

that's why minimal version have to understand pragma/version to bail \"use later tool\"

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:44:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Pragmas are indeed a whole new project which should be done after this one is published.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:45:07.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

I found how to enable socks5 in chromium and now can hear sound

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:45:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

disagree, but willing to talk about it more. See RFC 7405 for an example.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:45:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

(disagree with vadim, to be clear)

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:45:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Quick Comment on CDDL part: needs work (doesn't even parse). Would prefer to do CDDL work in a CDDL document.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:46:46.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "
\n

so as long as #pragma<<'foo'>> is invalid in the minimal set, it can be added in a separate doc.

\n
\n

this is what I was talking about for weeks - for now #pragma is a comment (but 8610 impls will error on it), therefor it's not a real diagreement

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:47:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

OK

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:47:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

Making the ABNF more strict should be relatively easy to come to consensus on with the suggested rubric, I hope.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:48:22.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

\"RFC 7405 defines a syntax for specifying case-sensitive string literals in Augmented Backus-Naur Form (ABNF)\" how it's related to minimal version?

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:48:22.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

(BP has been implemented, but it indeed makes choices that are hard to support.)

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:49:29.000Z"}, {"author": "Joe Hildebrand", "text": "

RFC5234 doesn't support the syntax, and a processor that doesn't support 7405 will fail when presented with %s. It's just an example, and I think we now mostly agree.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:49:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

BP would also make a good subject for a blog post

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:49:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Paul: I haven't reviewed -serialization and won't do it until it is complete.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:50:41.000Z"}, {"author": "\u0412\u0430\u0434\u0438\u043c \u0413\u043e\u043d\u0447\u0430\u0440\u043e\u0432", "text": "

is Bundle urgent thing? Did you try to ask in their WG's maillist?

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:51:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

Bundle works just fine.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:51:26.000Z"}, {"author": "Carsten Bormann", "text": "

It is just a bit ugly for a CBOR implementer.

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:51:41.000Z"}, {"author": "Ira McDonald", "text": "

yes - please keep bi-weekly cadence

", "time": "2026-07-08T14:54:27.000Z"}]