[{"author": "Aaron Parecki", "text": "

sorry I would but I am going to get pulled away in a sec

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:03:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

also arron and jeff

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:12:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

and Nick

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:12:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

or aaron if he wants me to spell his name right

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:13:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

i don't think it made it

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:14:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

I am here finally - Thanks for the support

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:15:14.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

It the new contender on the ring

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:17:47.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

you can't post a draft-oauth-xxxx draft as an individual, can you?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:17:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Rifaat Shekh-Yusef", "text": "

No, you cannot.

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:18:32.000Z"}, {"author": "Aaron Parecki", "text": "

No but draft-lastname-oauth docs will show up on the OAuth page

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:18:34.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

i saw a few...

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:18:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

Ashay Raut

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:18:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

that shouldn t be allowed

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:19:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

This mistake was solved - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-oauth-transaction-tokens-for-agents

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:19:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Aaron Parecki", "text": "

Actually wait draft-oauth is allowed, draft-ietf-oauth requires chair approval

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:20:10.000Z"}, {"author": "Aaron Parecki", "text": "

Because otherwise nobody could ever have a last name the same as a working group name

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:20:28.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

oh oh the draft-ietf part was missing

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:20:48.000Z"}, {"author": "Andreas Falk", "text": "

that is really a lot of specs, no developer for AI agents will be able to get the full picture. So we might need more overview similar to like \"AI Agent Authentication and Authorization\"

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:21:25.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

No

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:22:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Andreas Falk", "text": "

No!!

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:22:38.000Z"}, {"author": "Maxwell Gerber", "text": "

Maybe like 5 of them

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:22:46.000Z"}, {"author": "Nicholas Watson", "text": "

have any of these been built by anyone?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:22:59.000Z"}, {"author": "Andreas Falk", "text": "

Just the ones from OAuth WG

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:23:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

it is too many

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:23:07.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

That is a good exercise to get a good vision

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:23:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "
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have any of these been built by anyone?

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The more intersting question is any of them gaining indsutry traction

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:23:30.000Z"}, {"author": "Paul Carleton", "text": "

do we know which of these drafts are being worked on? vs. just someone drafted it and isn't planning to pursue it

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:23:42.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

With Claude anyone can have an implementation

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:23:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Nicholas Watson", "text": "

yes sorry I meant deployed

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:24:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

+

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:24:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "
\n

do we know which of these drafts are being worked on? vs. just someone drafted it and isn't planning to pursue it

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You won't know for sure until they start expiring in 4-6 months.

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:24:54.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

and then they may re-animate under another name.

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:25:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Maxwell Gerber", "text": "

So if we have an ID we should submit sooner rather than later?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:25:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Andreas Falk", "text": "

How many of these drafts are duplicating other parts and really be adopted by the WGs?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:26:16.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "
\n

So if we have an ID we should submit sooner rather than later?

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I am a fan of sooner

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:26:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "
\n

How many of these drafts are duplicating other parts and really be adopted by the WGs?

\n
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Should we have a time at Vienna to create the Venn of collision?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:26:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Nicholas Watson", "text": "

+1 to problem statements over solutiosn

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:27:36.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

I think these efforts are running on different timescales.

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some are about immediate problmes, others are about long. term evolution of the infrastructure.

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:30:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Paul Carleton", "text": "

\"mailing list discussion\" from Rifaat sounded like one good barometer for \"is this even interesting to other people aside from the author?\" -- are there other barometers we can use? like some kind of polling / voting

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:30:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

we had an initiative to fix the terminology problem, right?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:30:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Brent Zundel", "text": "

+1 to wanting to see problem statements

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:30:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

did that get sorted?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:30:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

I don't recall seeing that get tracction?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:31:14.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

Yeah... I don't see much traction around improving terminology

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:33:11.000Z"}, {"author": "Maxwell Gerber", "text": "

There were many terminology sessions at IIW this year

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:33:49.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

yeah, sorry, that was (semi) rhetorical

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:33:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Maxwell Gerber", "text": "

(did any agreements came out of them? idk)

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:34:12.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

So maybe terminology is not as important as we would hope?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:34:47.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

I would love to see us define those gaps as problem statements and get agreement on the problems before the solution

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:34:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

Problems is a great place to start

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:35:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Aaron Parecki", "text": "

I do worry that requiring mailing list discussion will just result in people throwing their agents at the mailing list to manufacture discussion

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:35:36.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

:grinning:

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:36:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

let's set up a discord server

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:36:05.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

You should see the number of GitHub issues some drafts attract ....

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:36:09.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

@george where are the Colophon cited resource located please? are they on a github?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:36:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Dick Hardt", "text": "

5 minute lightning talks :)

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:37:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

Does not IETF have PechaKucha already?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:37:46.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

@jeff I have not published the spreadsheet as yet

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:37:56.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

Priorities - Problems

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:37:58.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

=

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:38:06.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

@george - If you would be interested, happy to work with you on a side meeting to propose a summary to the group during Vienna

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:38:45.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

@jeff - I'm happy to work with you on that

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:39:13.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

you did it!

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:42:51.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

One exit Strategy could be to force adjacent proposals writers to work cojointly in one merged proposal

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:48:24.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

Going back to 3 sessions per IETF?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:48:26.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

\"One exit Strategy could be to force adjacent proposals writers to work cojointly in one merged proposal\"

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:51:21.000Z"}, {"author": "George Fletcher", "text": "

@jeff - I think if we focus on problems then we can show where different specs overlap in that problem space and have them work together

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:51:55.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

@george - agreed, I was more pointing at not being sure the WG had all the power to force that

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:53:40.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

Try \"attestation\"...

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:53:53.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

attestations are credentials and hot dogs are sandwiches

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:54:33.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

:face_with_peeking_eye:

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:54:50.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

are frosted muffin cupcakes?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:54:57.000Z"}, {"author": "Andreas Falk", "text": "

:grinning:

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:55:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Dick Hardt", "text": "

It was a security area discussion.

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:55:04.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

is the frosted muffin from the cupcake region of france?

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:55:37.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

:sob:

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:56:15.000Z"}, {"author": "Brian Campbell", "text": "

+1 to thanking George

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:56:35.000Z"}, {"author": "Pieter Kasselman", "text": "

Thanks George!

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:56:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Dick Hardt", "text": "

thanks george!

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:56:43.000Z"}, {"author": "Jeff Lombardo", "text": "

nice needed work

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:56:45.000Z"}, {"author": "Andreas Falk", "text": "

Thanks George :+1:

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:56:52.000Z"}, {"author": "Dick Hardt", "text": "

thanks Rifaat!

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:57:00.000Z"}, {"author": "Maxwell Gerber", "text": "

thanks all!

", "time": "2026-06-01T17:57:21.000Z"}]