TURN Revised and Modernized
charter-ietf-tram-02
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Document history
Date | Rev. | By | Action |
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2021-03-10
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02 | Amy Vezza | Responsible AD changed to Martin Duke from Zaheduzzaman Sarker |
2021-03-10
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02 | Amy Vezza | Responsible AD changed to Zaheduzzaman Sarker from Magnus Westerlund |
2019-03-27
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02 | Amy Vezza | Responsible AD changed to Magnus Westerlund from Spencer Dawkins |
2015-11-01
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02 | Cindy Morgan | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-02.txt |
2015-11-01
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02 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to Approved from Internal review |
2015-11-01
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02 | Cindy Morgan | IESG has approved the charter |
2015-11-01
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02 | Cindy Morgan | Closed "Ready w/o external review" ballot |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Cindy Morgan | WG action text was changed |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Submit TURN IP address mobility draft to IESG", due July 2016 |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Submit TURN PMTUD draft to IESG", due March 2016 |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Adopt TURN IP address mobility draft", due November 2015 |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Adopt TURN PMTUD draft", due November 2015 |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added milestone "Send new authentication mechanism(s) to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard", due March 2016, from current group milestones |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added milestone "Send TURN-bis draft to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard", due January 2016, from current group milestones |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added milestone "Send STUN-bis draft to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard", due January 2016, from current group milestones |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added milestone "Send path characteristic measurement mechanism to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard", due November 2015, from current group milestones |
2015-11-01
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | Added milestone "Send new TURN server discovery mechanism for enterprises and ISPs to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard", due November 2015, from current group … Added milestone "Send new TURN server discovery mechanism for enterprises and ISPs to IESG for publication as Proposed Standard", due November 2015, from current group milestones |
2015-10-15
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01-02 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-01-02.txt |
2015-10-15
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01-01 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot comment] My substantive point has to do with the scoping and use cases being dealt with in TRAM. I feel like some of the … [Ballot comment] My substantive point has to do with the scoping and use cases being dealt with in TRAM. I feel like some of the confusion over the TRAM drafts has related to whether the mechanisms being specified are expected to be used only within the WebRTC context or outside of it as well, for STUN/TURN generally. I'd like to see a commitment to clarity in this regard called out in the charter. E.g., "In making updates to TURN and STUN, the working group will clearly document the motivations and implications of the updates both within the WebRTC context and more broadly" or something like that. |
2015-10-15
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01-01 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Alissa Cooper has been changed to No Objection from Block |
2015-10-15
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01-01 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2015-10-15
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01-01 | Kathleen Moriarty | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Kathleen Moriarty |
2015-10-15
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01-01 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2015-10-14
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01-01 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot comment] I agree with Alissa's confusion (the tracker says internal review but the ballot says external) and comment. Also, if this is for external … [Ballot comment] I agree with Alissa's confusion (the tracker says internal review but the ballot says external) and comment. Also, if this is for external review, some milestones would be nice. |
2015-10-14
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01-01 | Ben Campbell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ben Campbell |
2015-10-14
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01-01 | Deborah Brungard | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Deborah Brungard |
2015-10-14
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01-01 | Alia Atlas | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alia Atlas |
2015-10-14
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01-01 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot block] I'm a little confused. Is the charter going for external review or not? Or is the IESG being asked to comment on whether … [Ballot block] I'm a little confused. Is the charter going for external review or not? Or is the IESG being asked to comment on whether it should go for external review or not? If it were going for external review I would have put my point below in a comment. But if this is the last opportunity for the IESG to weigh in on this then I'd like to see the point below discussed. I don't think this charter needs to go for external review. My substantive point has to do with the scoping and use cases being dealt with in TRAM. I feel like some of the confusion over the TRAM drafts has related to whether the mechanisms being specified are expected to be used only within the WebRTC context or outside of it as well, for STUN/TURN generally. I'd like to see a commitment to clarity in this regard called out in the charter. E.g., "In making updates to TURN and STUN, the working group will clearly document the motivations and implications of the updates both within the WebRTC context and more broadly" or something like that. |
2015-10-14
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01-01 | Alissa Cooper | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Block, has been recorded for Alissa Cooper |
2015-10-13
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01-01 | Alvaro Retana | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Alvaro Retana |
2015-10-13
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01-01 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling |
2015-10-12
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01-01 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2015-10-12
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01-01 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2015-10-07
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01-01 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2015-10-06
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01-01 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-01-01.txt |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Cindy Morgan | Telechat date has been changed to 2015-10-15 from 2014-02-20 |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Spencer Dawkins | WG action text was changed |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Spencer Dawkins | WG review text was changed |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Spencer Dawkins | Created "Ready w/o external review" ballot |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Spencer Dawkins | State changed to Internal review from Informal IESG review |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Spencer Dawkins | State changed to Informal IESG review from Approved |
2015-10-05
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01-00 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-01-00.txt |
2014-02-21
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01 | Cindy Morgan | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-01.txt |
2014-02-21
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01 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to Approved from IESG review |
2014-02-21
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01 | Cindy Morgan | IESG has approved the charter |
2014-02-21
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01 | Cindy Morgan | Closed "Approve" ballot |
2014-02-21
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01 | Cindy Morgan | Closed "Ready for external review" ballot |
2014-02-21
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00-08 | Cindy Morgan | WG action text was changed |
2014-02-21
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00-08 | Cindy Morgan | Version 00-08 to fix line breaks. |
2014-02-21
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00-08 | Cindy Morgan | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-08.txt |
2014-02-21
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00-07 | Cindy Morgan | WG action text was changed |
2014-02-20
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00-07 | Sean Turner | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Sean Turner |
2014-02-20
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00-07 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2014-02-20
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00-07 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-07.txt |
2014-02-20
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00-06 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot comment] It might be nice to add a little bit of text here regarding the potential of TURN to facilitate passive monitoring of voice … [Ballot comment] It might be nice to add a little bit of text here regarding the potential of TURN to facilitate passive monitoring of voice calls. Some notional text: """ In developing upgrades to TURN, the group will consider the passive monitoring risks introduced by the centralization of call traffic through a TURN server. When such risks arise, they will recommend appropriate mitigations. For example, a mechanism for directing traffic to a TURN server other than one configured by the application could be used to direct calls through a TURN server configured to do monitoring. When such a mechanism is used, it is important that the endpoints to the call apply end-to-end encryption and authentication to ensure that they are protected from the TURN server. """ |
2014-02-20
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00-06 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Richard Barnes has been changed to No Objection from Block |
2014-02-20
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00-06 | Gonzalo Camarillo | [Ballot comment] I am going to be chairing this. I am not sure if I should recuse myself because of that. I am logging no … [Ballot comment] I am going to be chairing this. I am not sure if I should recuse myself because of that. I am logging no objection but if you want me to recuse, I can do that as well. |
2014-02-20
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00-06 | Gonzalo Camarillo | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Gonzalo Camarillo |
2014-02-20
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00-06 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benoit Claise |
2014-02-20
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00-06 | Ted Lemon | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ted Lemon |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] While I disagree with Richard's Block because (IMHO) milestones are entirely at the discretion of the WG chairs and responsible AD as a … [Ballot comment] While I disagree with Richard's Block because (IMHO) milestones are entirely at the discretion of the WG chairs and responsible AD as a management tool for operating the WG, it is exactly that point that makes me wish this charter included a broader discussion of work items and deliverables. My experience is that WGs that are chartered with such an open remit run into trouble later when "there is nothing in our charter that prevents us from doing foo." The defence that "no reasonable WG would ever do that" never actually seems to apply. Thus, I would really appreciate it if you added more scope and direction to the charter both to restrict future wildness and to help guide current work. |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Adrian Farrel |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot block] I'm going to be the guy that harps on milestones. For the most part these are sensible, but I'm skeptical of the "discovery … [Ballot block] I'm going to be the guy that harps on milestones. For the most part these are sensible, but I'm skeptical of the "discovery for ISPs and enterprises" milestone. The only use case for this that comes to mind is pervasive monitoring of RTP sessions. If one of the proponents can explain what purpose this feature would serve that merits the monitoring risk, I'll clear. |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Richard Barnes has been changed to Block from Yes |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Richard Barnes |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Pete Resnick |
2014-02-19
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00-06 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2014-02-18
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00-06 | Stewart Bryant | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stewart Bryant |
2014-02-18
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00-06 | Brian Haberman | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Brian Haberman |
2014-02-18
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00-06 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling |
2014-02-17
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Send TURN-bis draft to IESG", due February 2015 |
2014-02-17
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Send STUN-bis draft to IESG", due February 2015 |
2014-02-17
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Send new proposed standard TURN authentication mechanism(s) to IESG", due November 2014 |
2014-02-17
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Send new proposed standard TURN server discovery mechanism for enterprises and ISPs to IESG", due September 2014 |
2014-02-17
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone " Send analysis of problems with current TURN authentication to IESG", due July 2014 |
2014-02-17
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Added charter milestone "Send draft adding DTLS as a transport for STUN/TURN to IESG ", due July 2014 |
2014-02-16
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00-06 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2014-02-15
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2014-02-15
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | Created "Approve" ballot |
2014-02-15
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | State changed to IESG review from External review |
2014-02-07
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00-06 | Cindy Morgan | Telechat date has been changed to 2014-02-20 from 2014-02-06 |
2014-02-07
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00-06 | Cindy Morgan | State changed to External review from Internal review |
2014-02-07
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00-06 | Cindy Morgan | WG review text was changed |
2014-02-07
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00-05 | Cindy Morgan | WG review text was changed |
2014-02-07
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00-05 | Cindy Morgan | WG review text was changed |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Sean Turner | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Sean Turner has been changed to No Objection from Block |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot comment] What Sean said. |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Stephen Farrell | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stephen Farrell |
2014-02-06
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00-06 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-06.txt |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Sean Turner | [Ballot block] I'll likely clear on or before the call, but I just want to make sure you're just specify DTLS as an authenticated transport … [Ballot block] I'll likely clear on or before the call, but I just want to make sure you're just specify DTLS as an authenticated transport mechanism not mucking about with it somehow. |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Sean Turner | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Block, has been recorded for Sean Turner |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Gonzalo Camarillo | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Gonzalo Camarillo |
2014-02-06
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00-05 | Ted Lemon | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Ted Lemon |
2014-02-05
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00-05 | Benoît Claise | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Benoit Claise |
2014-02-05
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00-05 | Joel Jaeggli | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Joel Jaeggli |
2014-02-05
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00-05 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot comment] Nicely written charter, thanks. It may be helpful to call out the deliverables more precisely (although) the milestones may do this well enough. … [Ballot comment] Nicely written charter, thanks. It may be helpful to call out the deliverables more precisely (although) the milestones may do this well enough. It is not quite clear from this whether there are precisely two deliverables (TURN and STUN updates) or whether additional specific deliverables are intended. |
2014-02-05
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00-05 | Adrian Farrel | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Adrian Farrel |
2014-02-05
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00-05 | Richard Barnes | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Richard Barnes |
2014-02-05
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00-05 | Jari Arkko | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Jari Arkko |
2014-02-04
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00-05 | Pete Resnick | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Pete Resnick |
2014-02-04
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00-05 | Stewart Bryant | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Stewart Bryant |
2014-02-04
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00-05 | Martin Stiemerling | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Martin Stiemerling |
2014-02-03
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00-05 | Brian Haberman | [Ballot Position Update] New position, No Objection, has been recorded for Brian Haberman |
2014-02-01
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00-05 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot comment] Version -00-05 looks good; thanks. |
2014-02-01
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00-05 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] Position for Barry Leiba has been changed to No Objection from Block |
2014-01-29
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00-05 | Spencer Dawkins | Ballot writeup was generated |
2014-01-29
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00-05 | Spencer Dawkins | WG action text was changed |
2014-01-29
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00-05 | Spencer Dawkins | WG review text was changed |
2014-01-29
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00-05 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-05.txt |
2014-01-29
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00-04 | Spencer Dawkins | WG action text was changed |
2014-01-29
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00-04 | Spencer Dawkins | WG review text was changed |
2014-01-29
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00-04 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-04.txt |
2014-01-29
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00-03 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-03.txt |
2014-01-29
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00-02 | Spencer Dawkins | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Spencer Dawkins |
2014-01-29
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00-02 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-02.txt |
2014-01-29
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00-01 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot block] The goal of the TRAM Working Group is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN, including the definition … [Ballot block] The goal of the TRAM Working Group is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN, including the definition of new transport, authentication mechanisms, and extensions, that make STUN and TURN more suitable for the WebRTC environment. That sentence is overly complicated, and makes some referents unclear. Fixing it properly might actually resolve my blocking point, which could come from a misunderstanding of that sentence. Here's my first stab at fixing it, but there's a "fill in here" spot in it: NEW The goal of the TRAM Working Group is to consolidate the various initiatives to update TURN and STUN to make them more suitable for the WebRTC environment. The work will include the definition of new transport protocols, authentication mechanisms, and extensions [TO WHAT?]. END On "including the definition of new transport": is it really in scope for TRAM to define new transport protocols? Do we really need another SCTP or DCCP, which will have all the deployability problems that those have? |
2014-01-29
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00-01 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot comment] And then just some editorial stuff: WebRTC, which is a set of technologies developed at the IETF and W3C aiming to … [Ballot comment] And then just some editorial stuff: WebRTC, which is a set of technologies developed at the IETF and W3C aiming to enable Real Time Communication on the Web. I always dislike the "aiming" bit, and we do have RTC on the web today. So how about: NEW WebRTC, which is a set of technologies developed at the IETF and W3C that standardizes Real Time Communication on the Web. END Because of the ubiquity of the Web and of the new opportunities created by the arrival of WebRTC, there is a renewed interest in TURN and ICE Can we just cut the "ubiquity of the Web" stuff, really? NEW The new opportunities created by WebRTC, have sparked a renewed interest in TURN and ICE END |
2014-01-29
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00-01 | Barry Leiba | [Ballot Position Update] New position, Block, has been recorded for Barry Leiba |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | Placed on agenda for telechat - 2014-02-06 |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | WG action text was changed |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | WG review text was changed |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | Created "Ready for external review" ballot |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | State changed to Internal review from Informal IESG review |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | Responsible AD changed to Spencer Dawkins |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | Initial review time expires 2014-01-31 |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | State changed to Informal IESG review from Not currently under review |
2014-01-24
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00-01 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-01.txt |
2014-01-24
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00-00 | Spencer Dawkins | New version available: charter-ietf-tram-00-00.txt |