Update to RFC 3777 to Clarify Nominating Committee Eligibility of IETF Leadership
draft-leiba-3777upd-eligibility-06
Yes
(Brian Haberman)
(Martin Stiemerling)
(Pete Resnick)
(Robert Sparks)
(Russ Housley)
No Objection
(Gonzalo Camarillo)
(Ralph Droms)
(Ron Bonica)
(Wesley Eddy)
Recuse
(Barry Leiba)
Note: This ballot was opened for revision 04 and is now closed.
Adrian Farrel Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(2012-12-11 for -05)
Unknown
I am ballotting "Yes" on this document on the assumption that the changes already suggested by Barry will be made. Additionally, the resolution of the word "leadership" in the paragraph of Section 1 as suggested by Pete Resnick. The following Comments are provided as observations to the authors and neither require action nor further discussion. --- Note that the document title still includes the sensitive word "leadership". --- The last sentence of the Abstract is a little vague. This document updates RFC 3777 and clarifies those situations. s/and clarifies/to clarify/ s/those situations/the rules as they apply to all members of the IAB, IESG, and IAOC./ --- Table of contents bugbear alert! Spending one page of a 4 page document on the ToC, is (IMHO) a waste of e-paper. --- Section 1 para 2 That said, it would be bad to eliminate people who have the experience necessary to understand the IETF process: those individuals can bring a broader perspective to the nominating committee and will help ensure that the people it selects are better prepared to fulfill the roles. I completely agree with the sentiment of this paragraph, but I don't see what relevance it has in this document. In fact, it seems that the point of this document is to deliberately exclude some people with that experience. You could either delete this paragraph entirely (why not?) or restructure the section so that this point is made before the points about self-selection (i.e., the intention is to include as many with experience as is possible, but to exclude those who are already sitting). --- Section 1 para 3 This document updates RFC 3777 and clarifies those situations, Comment as for Abstract. --- Section 1 In order to allow the largest reasonable list of potential nominating committee members, RFC 3777 does not exclude participation from working group chairs, IRTF research group chairs, members of directorates and special review teams, and members of other advisory bodies. I think the reason for non-exclusion is that it is not felt that the inclusion compromises the self-selection concerns. To say "in order to allow the largest reasonable..." questions the motives of the authors and introduces consideration of "reasonable". Why not delete the first clause? --- Section 2 may not volunteer to serve as voting members of the nominating committee Do you mean "may not volunteer" or "may not be selected"? That is (pedantically), putting your name forward is not something that we can control.
Benoît Claise Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(2012-12-12 for -05)
Unknown
I read http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/PendingUpdate - OLD Abstract RFC 3777 specifies that "sitting members" of the IAB and IESG "may not volunteer to serve on the nominating commitee". Since that document was written the IAOC was formed, and that body is not covered by RFC 3777. NEW Abstract RFC 3777 specifies that "sitting members" of the IAB and IESG "may not volunteer to serve on the nominating commitee". Since that document was written before the IAOC was formed, that body is not covered by RFC 3777. Actually after reading it many times and reading the similar sentence in section 1, I finally understood: you're missing a coma for my non English native speaker background ;-) So the new proposal. NEW-NEW Abstract RFC 3777 specifies that "sitting members" of the IAB and IESG "may not volunteer to serve on the nominating commitee". Since that document was written, the IAOC was formed, and that body is not covered by RFC 3777. - Section 1 those individuals can bring a broader perspective to the nominating committee and will help ensure that the people it selects are better prepared to fulfill the roles. better than what? Isn't better to say? those individuals can bring a broader perspective to the nominating committee and will help ensure that the people it selects are best prepared to fulfill the roles. - As I mentioned in a different thread, I would keep the ToC
Brian Haberman Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(for -05)
Unknown
Martin Stiemerling Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(for -05)
Unknown
Pete Resnick Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(for -05)
Unknown
Robert Sparks Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(for -05)
Unknown
Russ Housley Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(for -04)
Unknown
Sean Turner Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(2012-12-11 for -05)
Unknown
Based on Barry's tentative -06 no comments from me.
Stewart Bryant Former IESG member
(was Discuss)
Yes
Yes
(2012-12-13)
Unknown
Thank you for addressing my concern.
Gonzalo Camarillo Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -05)
Unknown
Ralph Droms Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -05)
Unknown
Ron Bonica Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -05)
Unknown
Stephen Farrell Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(2012-12-09 for -05)
Unknown
- I agree the the "leader" phrases in the intro are better replaced. I guess Stewart's discuss relates to the first paragraph and I support replacing that. However, there is also a "lower levels" mention in the last para of section that should go, I'd suggest: NEW: In order to allow the largest reasonable list of potential nominating committee members, we do not want to exclude participation from working group chairs, IRTF research group chairs, members of directorates and special review teams, and members of other advisory bodies.
Wesley Eddy Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -05)
Unknown
Barry Leiba Former IESG member
Recuse
Recuse
(for -04)
Unknown