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Architecture for Reliable Server Pooling
draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-12

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2015-10-14
12 (System) Notify list changed from rserpool-chairs@ietf.org to (None)
2012-08-22
12 (System) post-migration administrative database adjustment to the Abstain position for Brian Carpenter
2007-05-19
12 (System) State Changes to Dead from AD is watching by system
2007-05-19
12 (System) Document has expired
2006-12-18
12 Brian Carpenter [Ballot Position Update] Position for Brian Carpenter has been changed to Abstain from Discuss by Brian Carpenter
2006-11-16
12 (System) State Changes to AD is watching from Dead by system
2006-11-15
12 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-12.txt
2006-10-01
12 (System) State Changes to Dead from AD is watching by system
2006-10-01
12 (System) Document has expired
2006-07-26
12 Lars Eggert State Change Notice email list have been change to rserpool-chairs@tools.ietf.org from <lyong@ciena.com>, <maureen.stillman@nokia.com>
2006-07-20
12 Magnus Westerlund
Moved back to the WG for rehashing into a overview document rather than architecture one. This intends to provide a document that is easier to …
Moved back to the WG for rehashing into a overview document rather than architecture one. This intends to provide a document that is easier to understand and provide an entry point into the whole RSERPOOL solution. New milestones for the whole document package is being created by WG chairs.
2006-07-12
12 Magnus Westerlund State Changes to AD is watching from AD Evaluation::AD Followup by Magnus Westerlund
2006-05-18
12 Magnus Westerlund State Changes to AD Evaluation::AD Followup from IESG Evaluation::Point Raised - writeup needed by Magnus Westerlund
2006-04-05
12 Magnus Westerlund Shepherding AD has been changed to Magnus Westerlund from Jon Peterson
2006-03-30
11 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-11.txt
2005-10-12
12 Jon Peterson State Changes to IESG Evaluation::Point Raised - writeup needed from IESG Evaluation by Jon Peterson
2005-10-12
12 Jon Peterson Given pushback from GEN-ART reviewers and others, these documents have been set aside for some deeper architectural analysis.
2005-10-11
12 Jon Peterson Removed from agenda for telechat - 2005-10-13 by Jon Peterson
2005-10-11
12 (System) State Changes to IESG Evaluation from IESG Evaluation - Defer by system
2005-09-28
12 Michelle Cotton IANA Comments:
As described in the IANA Considerations section, we understand this document to have NO IANA Actions.
2005-09-28
12 Sam Hartman State Changes to IESG Evaluation - Defer from Waiting for Writeup by Sam Hartman
2005-09-27
12 Brian Carpenter
[Ballot discuss]
I believe that the issues raised by the following Gen-ART review by Harald Alvestrand are deep enough that RSERPOOL and its future should …
[Ballot discuss]
I believe that the issues raised by the following Gen-ART review by Harald Alvestrand are deep enough that RSERPOOL and its future should be referred to
the IAB for advice on how to proceed.

I've been puzzled for several years about the applicability of this
work in real deployments. It hasn't aroused significant interest
in the industry, least of all among hosting providers who would
presumably be the target users. Since RSERPOOL only solves the failover
problem at transport level, leaving reliability and session integrity
to the applications, it has no obvious advantages over current (IP
layer based) solutions to failover. It also has no particular
advantages for load balancing.

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From Harald:

The flaws include:

- No security architecture
- No identity architecture to base security on
- No client-locates-server architecture
- No monitoring architecture
- No transaction support architecture


Specific questions that are not answered by the architecture:

- How do the front-end servers get to agreement on which processing servers to put load onto? Is there feedback from the servers to the front-ends, apart from "up/down" indications?
- How do they handle state?
- Does the model support transactions? Any other integrity model?
- Are sessions sticky by default - so that second requests from the same client are *normally* sent to the same server, or does load-balancing happen per-request?
- Is the session mode from the users to the frontends the same as from the frontends to the servers? Always? Some of the time?
- What is the model for identity exchange between the servers, between the front-ends and between servers and front-ends? Do the users engage in any kind of identity exchange with the servers at all, or do they just deal with an "anonymous blob"?
- What is the model for a front-end going down, as seen from the users? How do they figure out which front-end to switch to?

Formalisms that should IMHO prevent publication:

- The -arch draft is normatively dependent on the ENRP and ASAP protocols. In fact, I'd claim that the architecture alone is incomprehensible; you need the details of the protocols.
Omitting them from the references list is a fatal error.

- The -comp document is trying to answer the question of "why can't you just use protocol X". As such, it's a shooting gallery for alternative candidates. It does not answer the question of "in which cases do you need rserpool".

Again, this has a normative dependency on the protocols.

- The -threat document is simply very badly done.
But again, it can't even be evaluated without the protocols, including the parts of the protocols (like identity handling) that aren't specified in the current protocol documents.

So this too is normatively dependent on the protocols.
2005-09-27
12 Brian Carpenter [Ballot Position Update] New position, Discuss, has been recorded for Brian Carpenter by Brian Carpenter
2005-09-26
12 Jon Peterson [Ballot Position Update] New position, Yes, has been recorded for Jon Peterson
2005-09-26
12 Jon Peterson Ballot has been issued by Jon Peterson
2005-09-26
12 Jon Peterson Created "Approve" ballot
2005-09-26
12 (System) Ballot writeup text was added
2005-09-26
12 (System) Last call text was added
2005-09-26
12 (System) Ballot approval text was added
2005-09-22
12 Jon Peterson Placed on agenda for telechat - 2005-09-29 by Jon Peterson
2005-07-14
12 Jon Peterson State Changes to Waiting for Writeup from AD Evaluation::AD Followup by Jon Peterson
2005-07-14
12 Jon Peterson [Note]: 'PROTO Shepherd: Maureen Stillman' added by Jon Peterson
2005-07-08
10 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-10.txt
2005-02-22
12 (System) Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed
2005-02-22
09 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-09.txt
2004-11-15
12 Jon Peterson State Changes to AD Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from AD Evaluation::AD Followup by Jon Peterson
2004-10-25
12 (System) Sub state has been changed to AD Follow up from New Id Needed
2004-10-25
08 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-08.txt
2003-12-11
12 Jon Peterson State Changes to AD Evaluation::Revised ID Needed from AD Evaluation by Jon Peterson
2003-11-25
12 Jon Peterson State Changes to AD Evaluation from Publication Requested by Jon Peterson
2003-10-14
12 Dinara Suleymanova State Changes to Publication Requested from AD is watching by Dinara Suleymanova
2003-10-14
12 Dinara Suleymanova Intended Status has been changed to Informational from None
2003-10-13
07 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-07.txt
2003-07-01
06 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-06.txt
2003-03-29
12 Jon Peterson Shepherding AD has been changed to Peterson, Jon from Bradner, Scott
2003-03-07
05 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-05.txt
2002-11-07
04 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-04.txt
2002-07-05
03 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-03.txt
2002-05-07
12 Scott Bradner 2002-05-06 - from Maureen Stillman
new version July, 2002
2002-05-07
12 Scott Bradner A new comment added
by sob
2002-04-27
12 Scott Bradner Draft Added by Scott Bradner
2002-04-24
02 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-02.txt
2002-03-06
01 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-01.txt
2001-04-03
00 (System) New version available: draft-ietf-rserpool-arch-00.txt