Minutes interim-2019-iesg-24 2019-12-05 15:00
minutes-interim-2019-iesg-24-201912051500-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the December 5, 2019 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES 
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Deborah Brungard (AT&T) / Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Michelle Cotton (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Alissa Cooper (Cisco) / IETF Chair, General Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Wes Hardaker (USC/ISI) / IAB Liaison
Ted Hardie (Google) / IAB Chair
Benjamin Kaduk (Akamai Technologies) / Security Area
Suresh Krishnan (Kaloom) / Internet Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / Transport Area
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Barry Leiba (Futurewei Technologies) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Alexey Melnikov / Applications and Real-Time Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Alvaro Retana (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Adam Roach (Mozilla) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Martin Vigoureux (Nokia) / Routing Area
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Magnus Westerlund (Ericsson) / Transport Area

REGRETS 
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Ignas Bagdonas (Equinix) /  Operations and Management Area
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Heather Flanagan / RFC Series Editor

OBSERVERS
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Ivaylo Petrov
Greg Wood

MINUTES 
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1. Administrivia 
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the October 31, 2019 Teleconference were approved. The 
Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

The narrative minutes of the October 31, 2019 Teleconference were 
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the October 31, 2019 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
  o draft-ietf-payload-rtp-ttml-06  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-10  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-regext-epp-fees-20  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-klensin-idna-unicode-review-05  (Proposed Standard)
    
1.2.2 Document Actions
  o draft-ietf-netvc-requirements-10  (Informational)
  o draft-ietf-teas-native-ip-scenarios-12  (Informational)

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Roman Danyliw to write up how measuring deployments could factor 
    into WG chartering/rechartering.
  o Alissa Cooper with Warren, Wes, Mirja, Alvaro, Martin, Eric, Ted, 
    Robin (Zhenbin), Deborah, and Roman to work on organizing how IETF 
    work is described and presented to external audiences.
  o Eric Vyncke with Barry, Warren, Robin (Zhenbin), Deborah, and Alexey 
    will work on defining Special Interest Groups.
  o Alissa Cooper and Roman Danyliw to create list of questions where we 
    need answers about IETF participation to make better operational 
    decisions. 
  o Barry Leiba and Warren Kumari to write a more concrete proposal to 
    create intermediate step between DISCUSS and COMMENT - "Important 
    Points." 
  o Barry Leiba to write a proposal to have drafts expire after 3 months 
    rather than 6 months.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on early shepherding.
  o Barry Leiba to find designated experts for RFC 8543 [IANA #1156117].

IN PROGRESS:
  o Roman Danyliw to draft text to be posted on ietf.org about reporting 
    protocol vulnerabilities via an email alias and possible procedures 
    on how to assign triage resources. 
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text for the NomCom to help them 
    understand the rules for the NomCom.
  o Alexey Melnikov to think about how to analyze how successful WGs and 
    protocols are and why they failed or not.
  o Martin Vigoureux with Wes, and Alvaro to work on some
    mechanism to obtain wider or private feedback from people who are 
    disenfranchised; anonymous flagging of offensive emails to inform 
    leadership; more opportunities for private feedback.
  o Alvaro Retana with Warren, Alexey, Martin, Barry, and Roman 
    to work on more transparency in the Datatracker about how long each 
    phase of doc process takes / New datatracker flag to indicate who 
    has the ball, authors or chairs.
  o Alexey Melnikov and Warren Kumari to add keyword tags to WG charters 
    to identify specs that pertain to some general concept.
  o Alvaro Retana to work on a framework for analyzing new proposals. 
  o Adam Roach to work on a virtual social room for remote attendees 
    (promoting #hallway)
  o Warren Kumari to work on acknowledging shepherds, directorate 
    reviewers in a more standardized/formal way.
  o Alexey Melnikov to organize IoT overview discussion with interested 
    ADs.
  o Ignas Bagdonas to write a draft of an IoT Systems charter.
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 8620 [IANA 
    #1155192].
  o Alvaro Retana and Adam Roach to look at updating the I-D Checklist.
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-
    with-psk [IANA #1156116].
  o Roman Danilyw to find designated experts for RFC 8471 [IANA 
    #1156118].
  o Eric Vyncke to write up draft text on Special Interest 
    Groups and send to the IESG for comment.
  o Warren Kumari to write up draft text on Affiliate Groups 
    and send to the IESG for comment.
  o All IESG to submit their metrics data priorities to Roman (deadline 
    TBD).
  o Roman Danyliw to collect feedback from the IESG on the metrics 
    data priorities for the IESG to discuss at a future meeting.
  o Ben Kaduk, Alvaro Retana, and Suresh Krishnan to skim the ietf@ietf 
    list and collect a list of topics that seem to be the major concerns 
    for the community from recent discussion threads.
  o Martin Vigoureux to put together a proposal on disambiguating side 
    meetings from IETF meetings. 

NEW:
  o Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 7193 [IANA 
    #1156270].

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items
  o draft-ietf-pim-drlb-13  - IETF stream
    PIM Designated Router Load Balancing (Proposed Standard) - 1 of 10
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv2-hbit-11  - IETF stream
    Host Router Support for OSPFv2 (Proposed Standard) - 2 of 10
    Token: Alvaro Retana

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Alvaro Retana confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-mpls-ri-rsvp-frr-07  - IETF stream
    Refresh-interval Independent FRR Facility Protection (Proposed
    Standard) - 3 of 10
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-nvo3-geneve-14  - IETF stream
    Geneve: Generic Network Virtualization Encapsulation (Proposed
    Standard) - 4 of 10
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper, Roman Danyliw, Benjamin Kaduk, Suresh 
Krishnan, Mirja Kuehlewind, Barry Leiba, Eric Vyncke, and Magnus 
Westerlund.*
  o draft-ietf-cose-hash-sig-08  - IETF stream
    Use of the HSS/LMS Hash-based Signature Algorithm with CBOR Object
    Signing and Encryption (COSE) (Proposed Standard) - 5 of 10
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry-22  - IETF stream
    Registry for Performance Metrics (Best Current Practice) - 6 of 10
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Alissa Cooper and Alvaro Retana.*

  o draft-ietf-ippm-initial-registry-14  - IETF stream
    Initial Performance Metrics Registry Entries (Proposed Standard) - 7 
    of 10
    Token: Mirja Kuehlewind

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Magnus Westerlund.*

  o draft-ietf-dnsop-serve-stale-09  - IETF stream
    Serving Stale Data to Improve DNS Resiliency (Proposed Standard) - 8 
    of 10
    Token: Barry Leiba

Warren Kumari formally recused himself from the discussion. The document 
was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be completed by Barry 
Leiba. The Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol 
Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-mpls-ldp-yang-07  - IETF stream
    YANG Data Model for MPLS LDP (Proposed Standard) - 9 of 10
    Token: Deborah Brungard

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Benjamin Kaduk.*

  o draft-ietf-netmod-yang-data-ext-04  - IETF stream
    YANG Data Structure Extensions (Proposed Standard) - 10 of 10
    Token: Ignas Bagdonas

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Ignas Bagdonas. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items   
  o draft-ietf-stir-oob-06  - IETF stream
    STIR Out-of-Band Architecture and Use Cases (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Adam Roach

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Benjamin Kaduk.*

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items  
  o draft-schaad-cbor-content-02  - IETF stream
    Cryptographic Message System (CMS) Content Types for Concise Binary
    Object Representation (CBOR) (Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Alexey Melnikov

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Alexey Melnikov. The Secretariat will send an individual 
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items
  o conflict-review-chz-simple-cu-separation-bng-protocol-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-chz-simple-cu-separation-bng-protocol
      draft-chz-simple-cu-separation-bng-protocol-06
      The China Mobile, Huawei, and ZTE BNG Simple Control and User
    Plane Separation Protocol (S-CUSP) (ISE: Informational) - 1 of 1
    Token: Martin Vigoureux

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this document.
The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the RFC
Independent Submissions Editor that includes a conflict review response 
prepared by Martin Vigoureux.

3.4.2 Returning items
  NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review
  NONE

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  o JSON Mail Access Protocol (jmap) - 1 of 1
    Area: ART (Alexey Melnikov)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised charter.
The Secretariat will send a WG Review: Recharter announcement, with a 
separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG teleconference (December 
19, 2019).

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  o EAP Method Update (emu) - 1 of 2
    Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

  o Limited Additional Mechanisms for PKIX and SMIME (lamps) - 2 of 2
    Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The IESG approved the updated charter for the working group. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action: RECHARTER announcement.

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1156116] Designated experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-with-
    psk (IANA)

The management item was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC-ietf-lamps-cms-mix-with-psk was assigned to Roman 
Danyliw prior to the start of the teleconference.

6.2 [IANA #1156118] Designated experts for RFC 8471 (IANA)

The management item was discussed. An action item to find designated 
experts for RFC 8471 was assigned to Roman Danyliw prior to the start of 
the teleconference.

6.3 [IANA #1156117] Designated experts for RFC 8543 (IANA)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved James Gould 
<jgould@verisign.com> as the designated expert for RFC 8543.

6.4 [IANA #1156270] Designated experts for RFC 7193 (IANA)

The management item was discussed. 

Action item: Alexey Melnikov to find designated experts for RFC 7193 
[IANA #1156270].

6.5 [IANA #1154263] approving CoAP Content-Formats 282 and 283 for 
    permanent registration (IANA)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved CoAP Content-
Formats 282 and 283 for permanent registration.

6.6 Quality Directorate Reviews (Ben Kaduk)

The management item was discussed.

6.7 Approve experts for performance metrics registry (Mirja Kuehlewind)

The management item was discussed. The IESG approved Al Morton 
<acmorton@att.com> and Marcelo Bagnulo Braun <marcelo@it.uc3m.es> as the 
designated experts for the Performance Metrics Registry (as specified in 
draft-ietf-ippm-metric-registry).

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)

8. Tools Team Report -- 2 December 2019

1. Datatracker Projects
  - The plan was recently updated:
    -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
  - Codesprint at IETF 106 produced a few enhancements, bug fixes,
    and performance improvements.
  - A contract for Meeting Application Improvements was awarded to
    IOLA.  Work was delayed, but it is now underway.
  - A contract for IRSG balloting was awarded to AKAYLA.  Work is
    feature complete, but the program manager has asked for an
    additional test to be provided.
  - A contract for the Datatracker Review Tool was awarded to
    DashCare.  Work is underway, delivery is expected before the
    end of this year.
  - A contract for the first part of the automated meeting schedule
    generation was awarded to DashCare, and work is starting.  This
    part of the overall project will focus on better models for
    conflicts that have previously been captured as lore or comments.

2. Community & Other Projects
  - A prototyping server for the IETF web site now includes Matomo,
    and it has been integrated with our Wagtail website.  It is not
    quite ready for production, but it appears to be collecting the
    desired analytics.  Some IESG communication with the community is
    needed about the details of the implementation before it is
    deployed.

3. RFC Services Projects
  - The RFC Production Center is using the new format tools to
    generate RFCs.  Minor bugs have been discovered and quickly fixed.
  - The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds using the
    v3 schema format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on
    the IETF stream.
  - The Tools Team has a Statement of Work for the security of the
    tools used by the RFC Production Center.  The RFP did not result
    in an award.  The IETF LLC Executive Director will re-issue the
    RFP or announce an extension for bidders; however, this review
    will not be completed in 2019 as originally planned.

4. Server Infrastructure
  - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists
    in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom
    software to ARC.  The released ARC software cannot be configured to
    handle just a few of our mail lists, but this feature is available
    in the beta version.  The beta version will be used for testing in
    December 2019 to see if it meets the needs of the IETF.  If so, we
    will be move away from our custom code.

5. YANG Catalog
  - A sandbox of the YANGcatalog.org is running in a container.  We
    expect deployment of the containerized version next year.


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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.