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Minutes interim-2021-nmrg-03: Tue 14:00
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Meeting Minutes Network Management (nmrg) RG
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Last updated 2021-06-23

minutes-interim-2021-nmrg-03-202106221400-00
NMRG 62nd meeting
22 June 2021 14:00 - 15:00 CEST

RG Chairs:
* Laurent Ciavaglia
* Jéröme François

RG Secretaries
* Jéferson Campos Nobre
* Pedro Martinez-Julia

Useful links:
Materials:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2021-nmrg-03/session/nmrg Webex:
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mf4f7414b4e2928cf35fb18b957a29c50 Notes:
https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-nmrg62# Video recording:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ietf/playlists

Participants:
- Jérôme François
- Alex Clemm
- Hyun-Kyo Kim
- Chiara Contoli
- Jonatas Marques
- Stefan Schneider
- Marinos Charalambides
- Börje Ohlman
- José Suárez-Varela
- Ramin Sadre
- Lisandro Granville

Objectives:
- Freeze the challenge list
- Set the expected content type and levels of details for challenges → template
- Define one lead contributor per challenge
- Set milestones for progressing on the document

Discussion
- Alex:  Freeze the challenge for a fist iteration but we can add in a second
round - Alex (on IBN challenges): challenge #9 is about how AI can facilitate
the planning of actions. Can rephrase to make it clear - Stefan: there are
different type of outputs for AI, in challenge #9 - Marinos: is dealing with
with different choices of actions to take part of #9 - Alex: ok - Jérôme:
challenge #9 is fine, we should avoid to make specific to IBN but more general
about planning of actions. We will need more feedback regarding challenge #8 -
Marinos (On merging data availability and challenge on scalable real-time
monitoring) ok - Alex: having data is an enabler for AI but not an AI
challenge? - Jérôme: agrre but here we try to identify challenges to address
when we want to use AI for NM, so I think it is good to have it as well -
Stefan: I agree, data is an enabler, but I think it's a very important one and
one that is indeed challenging in the context of NM. For image classification,
NLP, etc there are standard datasets or environments that drive progress; in
NM, we don't have that yet. - Alex: Agree. So then it would be good to frame
that as an AI challenge: how to create the equivalent in NM (in terms of
standard datsets or environments that can help drive AI progress in NM - Alex:
maybe we could have different sections in the document (What AI can solve in
NM? What are the missing enabblers?) - Jérôme: yes challenges are at different
levels. There was a draft classification in the doc. I propose to kee the
structure of challenge list flat and then categorize them when they are fully
describe. - Lisandro (regarding mislestones): It looks to be that's a doable
timeline - José Suárez-Varela: It looks good to me as wel