Minutes IETF 113 BOF coordination interim-2022-iesg-03 2022-01-28 15:00
minutes-interim-2022-iesg-03-202201281500-00

IETF 113 BoF Coordination Call
28 January 2022/10 February 2022

Reported by: Amy Vezza, IETF Secretariat
Revised with notes from:

Additional reference materials available at the datatracker 
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bof-requests)

ATTENDEES
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- Jari Arkko (IAB)
- Deborah Brungard (IAB)
- Ben Campbell (IAB)
- Roman Danyliw (SEC)
- Martin Duke (TSV)
- Lars Eggert (IETF Chair)
- Liz Flynn (Secretariat)
- Cullen Jennings (IAB)
- Benjamin Kaduk (SEC)
- Erik Kline (INT)
- Mirja Kühlewind (IAB Chair)
- Warren Kumari (OPS/MGT)
- Zhenbin Li (IAB)
- Cindy Morgan (Secretariat)
- Karen O'Donoghue (ISOC)
- Francesca Palombini (ART)
- Tommy Pauly (IAB)
- Colin Perkins (IRTF Chair)
- Alvaro Retana (RTG)
- Zahed Sarker (TSV)
- David Schinazi (IAB)
- John Scudder (RTG)
- Robert Wilton (OPS/MGT)
- Paul Wouters (Incoming SEC)
- Qin Wu (Incoming IAB)
- Amy Vezza (Secretariat)
- Martin Vigoureux (RTG)
- Éric Vyncke (INT)
- Jiankang Yao (IAB)

REGRETS
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Andrew Alston (Incoming RTG)
Wes Hardaker (IAB)
Murray Kucherawy (ART)
Jared Mauch (IAB)
Russ White (IAB)


APPLICATIONS AND REAL-TIME AREA

o Event Streaming Open Network
Responsible AD: Francesca Palombini

Francesca Palombini introduced the Event Streaming Open Network
BoF.

Cullen Jennings suggested the proponents take the idea to a DISPATCH 
group as he did not think it was mature enough for a BoF.

Francesca noted it was non-working group forming, and the bar was 
lower for that type of BoF.

Tommy Pauly agreed with Cullen. He further said it looked like it 
might fit in the IRTF, and a HotRFC or a DISPATCH presentation might 
help the work find additional interested parties.

Colin Perkins agreed that a HotRFC presentation would be useful for 
the proponents to get feedback.

Lars Eggert suggested a community member may help the proponents scope 
the work appropriately.

Karen O'Donoghue suggested checking with the IETF Guides program.

Francesca agreed to take the suggestions back to the BoF proponents.

The proposed Event Streaming Open Network BoF was not approved for 
IETF 113. 

o Media Over QUIC (MOQ)
Responsible AD: Murray Kucherawy

Zahed Sarker introduced the Media Over QUIC BoF and said that the BoF 
could be either in the Transport Area or the Applications and Real-
Time Area. He noted that because of the focus of the group it fit 
better in the Applications and Real-Time Area, but cross-area work may 
happen.

Cullen Jennings asked about the community behind the proposed group, 
he would expect more people interested in the discussion.

Zahed said the group has a mailing list, and giving the agenda time 
may help them scope the work.

Cullen indicated he was interested to see what comes out of the BoF.

Éric Vyncke stated the work was presented in the MOPS WG. He said he 
supported the BoF being run.

Murray Kucherawy stated they were looking for a co-chair to assist the 
proponents.

Cullen said he wasn't sure the goals for the BoF were clear enough. He 
said he would like the proponents to clarify the problem to be solved. 

Ben Kaduk agreed. 

Lars Eggert agreed that shaping the discussion would be useful. He 
questioned whether the one-hour session in the request would be long 
enough and suggested they request a two-hour session.

Tommy Pauly volunteered to talk to the proponents and be an IAB 
shepherd for the BoF.

The proposed Media Over QUIC BoF was approved for IETF 113.

GENERAL AREA

NONE

INTERNET AREA

o Source Address Validation in Intra-domain and Inter-domain Networks 
(SAVNET)
Responsible AD: Eric Vyncke

Éric Vyncke introduced the Source Address Validation in Intra-domain 
and Inter-domain Networks (SAVNET) BoF effort. He said the work was an 
extension of work done in the now-concluded SAVI working group, but 
they were moving to use the technology to include inter-domain 
networks. He was in favor of running the BoF.

Jari Arkko stated he would help the work as the IAB shepherd.

Ben Kaduk also supported approving the BoF.

Zhenbin Li said there is a need for this technology, so he would be 
interested in the work as well.

Éric said he would help refine the BoF proposal.

The proposed Source Address Validation in Intra-domain and Inter-domain 
Networks BoF was approved for IETF 113.

OPERATIONS AND MANAGEMENT AREA

NONE

ROUTING AREA

o Multicast Source Routing over IPv6 (MSR6)
Responsible AD: Alvaro Retana

Alvaro Retana introduced the Multicast Source Routing over IPv6 (MSR6) 
BoF effort and said the proponents were interested in developing a new 
multicast system related to SRV6. He noted the proposal may have too 
wide a scope to succeed. He also stated they have run a number of side 
meetings. He would appreciate an IAB shepherd to help.

Lars Eggert asked about IPv4 versus IPv6, and if the work should go 
into an existing working group.

Alvaro said they were looking for v6 only.

Zahed Sarker asked if they had discussed the proposal with other 
industry companies interested in multicast over IPv6.

Alvaro said he was unsure if they had approached other companies.

Ben Kaduk said he would be in favor of allowing the BoF.

Rob Wilton asked if this would be using limited domains as SRV6 does, 
and would it work for multicast.

Alvaro said they have some of the same issues. He added most multicast 
deployments were intra-domain only. He stated that this BoF could 
use some time for charter discussion.

Mirja Kühlewind said she thought the current text for a charter was 
not in shape for the BoF to be working group forming.

Roman Danyliw said it should go forward as a non-working group forming 
BoF, and scope the agenda to the problem statement work. 

Lars Eggert suggested working on the BoF proposal and make a final 
decision after the final BoF deadline. 

Alvaro agreed.

Zhebin Li said he thought the scope of the work was clear, and he 
supported having the BoF.

The proposed Multicast Source Routing over IPv6 (MSR6) BoF was 
provisionally approved for IETF 113.

At the February 10, 2022 IESG Informal Teleconference Alvaro Retana 
reported the BoF proposal was not ready for IETF 113, and he would work with 
the proponents to have a virtual interim BoF between IETF 113 and IETF 
114, likely in late April or early May 2022.

o Computing-Aware Networking (CAN)
Responsible AD: John Scudder

John Scudder introduced the Computing-Aware Networking (CAN) BoF and 
said it was unclear if the BoF fit into the Routing Area. 

Jari Arkko said the proposed work was interesting.

Cullen Jennings agreed the IETF Area was not immediately apparent, and the 
BoF might fit better in the Applications and Real-Time Area. He 
suggested adjusting the conflict list to include ART WGs.

Lars Eggert noted that the BoF's stated purpose was to increase 
awareness of the proposed work.

Martin Duke said it sounded more like a research group.

Colin Perkins added there was a research group that is doing 
tangential work, and the BoF came from the research group. He added 
that the BoF work is BGP related, which seems more on the IETF side 
rather than the IRTF side. Colin also said while the COINRG was doing 
research in the same space, the technical proposal for the BoF was on the 
standards side.

Cullen questioned if the work belonged in the Routing Area. 

There was a short discussion on a whether a working group forming vs non-working 
group forming BoF would be more appropriate.

Martin D. said he was in favor of holding the BoF.

Zhenbin Li stated he would be interested in helping shepherd the BoF.

The proposed Computing-Aware Networking (CAN) BoF was approved for 
IETF 113.

SECURITY AREA

NONE

TRANSPORT AREA

NONE

IAB SESSIONS

NONE

IRTF SESSIONS

NONE

OTHER SESSIONS

NONE