Minutes interim-2023-iesg-17 2023-08-10 14:00
minutes-interim-2023-iesg-17-202308101400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the August 10, 2023 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Jenny Bui, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Andrew Alston (Liquid Intelligent Technologies) /  Routing Area
Jenny Bui (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director
Dhruv Dhody (Huawei) / IAB Liaison
Martin Duke (Google) / Transport Area
Lars Eggert (NetApp) / IETF Chair, General Area
Sandy Ginoza (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Murray Kucherawy (Meta) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Mirja Kuehlewind (Ericsson) / IAB Chair
Warren Kumari (Google) / Operations and Management Area
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Zaheduzzaman (Zahed) Sarker (Nokia) / Transport Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Amy Vezza (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Eric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area

REGRETS
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Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / Security Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat, Narrative Scribe
Francesca Palombini (Ericsson) / Applications and Real-Time Area
John Scudder (Juniper) / Routing Area
Robert Wilton (Cisco Systems) / Operations and Management Area

OBSERVERS
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Lee-Berkeley Shaw
Greg Wood

MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

The minutes of the July 06 and July 13, 2023 Teleconference were
approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public
archives.

The narrative  minutes of the July 06 and July 13, 2023 Teleconference
were approved. The Secretariat will place the minutes in the public
archives.

1.2 Documents Approved since the July 13, 2023 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions
o draft-ietf-stir-messaging-08  (Proposed Standard)
o draft-ietf-httpbis-digest-headers-13  (Proposed Standard)

1.2.2 Document Actions
  NONE

1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
o Robert Wilton and Warren Kumari to report back to the IESG on the
  impact of COVID-19 to the IETF in July 2023.
o Lars Eggert to send email to the LLC about Letters of Invitation for
  Interim Meetings and Retreats.
o Lars Eggert and Martin Duke to rewrite IESG statement to give more
  guidance about issuing LOIs for interim meetings.
o One AD from each area to diagram their Area topology and send it to
  Martin Duke for collation.
o Lars Eggert to ask the LLC to come up with a proposal on how we can
  support a pre-configured remote participation option inside meeting
  rooms.
o Murray Kucherawy to respond to the email "RFC 1952: Any plan for a
  new extra field registry."
o John Scudder to collect AD qualifications for NomCom.
o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9122 on IANA
  Registry for Sieve Actions IANA #1275603].
o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 3326 on The
  Reason Header Field for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) [IANA
  #1278422].

IN PROGRESS:
o Warren Kumari to follow up on a bis document for RFC 8126 regarding
  designated experts.
o Roman Danyliw to open a Datatracker issue suggesting a feature to
  better signal individual contributions.
o Lars Eggert to write an update to the Support Documents in IETF
  Working Groups statement.
o Andrew Alston, Murray Kucherawy, Zahed Sarker, Martin Duke, John
  Scudder, and Jim Guichard to draft text regarding document
  authorship/editorship with regards to the number of authors listed.
o Lars Eggert to facilitate a community discussion on priorities for
  IESG processes.
o Robert Wilton to find designated experts for RFC 9390 (Diameter Group
  Signaling) [IANA #1275381].
o Roman Danyliw to find designated experts for RFC 9393 on Concise
  Software Identification Tags [IANA #1275658].
o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9420 on Messaging
  Layer Security (MLS) [IANA #1276814].
o Murray Kucherawy to find designated experts for RFC 9457 on Problem
  Details for HTTP APIs [IANA #1277796].

NEW:
o Lars Eggert to draft a response to the appeal on the current guidance
  on interim meetings.
o IESG to decide how to use the experimental Friday afternoon sessions
  at IETF 118.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

  o draft-ietf-bess-evpn-pref-df-11  - IETF stream
    Preference-based EVPN DF Election (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Andrew Alston

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Warren Kumari and John Scudder.*

  o draft-ietf-nvo3-bfd-geneve-12  - IETF stream
    BFD for Geneve (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Andrew Alston

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by John Scudder and Eric Vyncke.*

  o draft-ietf-idr-long-lived-gr-06  - IETF stream
    Support for Long-lived BGP Graceful Restart (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Andrew Alston

John Scudder formally recused himself from the discussion. The document
was approved by the IESG. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-uta-rfc6125bis-14  - IETF stream
    Service Identity in TLS (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Paul Wouters

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Lars Eggert.*

  o draft-ietf-bess-pbb-evpn-isid-cmacflush-08  - IETF stream
    PBB-EVPN ISID-based C-MAC-Flush (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Andrew Alston

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Andrew Alston confirms that the announcement is ready
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-dnssd-update-lease-08  - IETF stream
    An EDNS(0) option to negotiate Leases on DNS Updates (Proposed
    Standard)
    Token: Éric Vyncke

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action
Announcement once Eric Vyncke confirms that the announcement is ready
to be sent.

  o draft-ietf-dnssd-srp-23  - IETF stream
    Service Registration Protocol for DNS-Based Service Discovery
    (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Éric Vyncke

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Roman Danyliw and Paul Wouters.*

  o draft-ietf-lamps-caa-issuemail-06  - IETF stream
    Certification Authority Authorization (CAA) Processing for Email
    Addresses (Proposed Standard)
    Token: Roman Danyliw

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Roman Danyliw. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Protocol Action Announcement.

2.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items
  NONE

2.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items
  NONE

2.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

  o draft-ietf-teas-rfc3272bis-26  - IETF stream
    Overview and Principles of Internet Traffic Engineering
    (Informational)
    Token: John Scudder

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by John Scudder. The Secretariat will send a working group
submission Document Action Announcement.

  o draft-ietf-teas-ietf-network-slices-22  - IETF stream
    A Framework for IETF Network Slices (Informational)
    Token: John Scudder

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Paul Wouters.*

The document will return on the next teleconference (August 24, 2023).

3.1.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

  o draft-gutmann-testkeys-04  - IETF stream
    Standard PKC Test Keys (Informational)
    Token: Paul Wouters

The document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be
completed by Paul Wouters. The Secretariat will send an individual
submission Document Action Announcement.

3.2.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items
  NONE

3.3.2 Returning items
  NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

  o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-icntraceroute-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-icntraceroute
      draft-irtf-icnrg-icntraceroute-10
      ICN Traceroute Protocol Specification (IRTF: Experimental)
    Token: Lars Eggert

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that
includes a conflict review response prepared by Lars Eggert.

3.4.2 Returning items

  o conflict-review-irtf-icnrg-icnping-00
    IETF conflict review for draft-irtf-icnrg-icnping
      draft-irtf-icnrg-icnping-10
      ICN Ping Protocol Specification (IRTF: Experimental)
    Token: Éric Vyncke

The IESG has no problem with the IRTF publishing this document. The
Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" message to the IRSG that
includes a conflict review response prepared by Eric Vyncke.

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

  o Key Transparency (keytrans)
    Area: SEC (Roman Danyliw)

The charter remains under discussion by the IESG in order to resolve
points raised by Eric Vyncke.*

4.1.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review
  NONE

4.2.2 Proposed for approval
  NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues

6.1 [IANA #1276814] Designated experts for RFC 9420 (Messaging Layer
    Security (MLS)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated
experts for RFC 9420 was assigned to Paul Wouters prior to the start of
the teleconference.

6.2 [IANA #1275603] Designated experts for RFC 9122 on IANA Registry
    for Sieve Actions (Murray Kucherawy)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Alexey Melnikov
<alexey.melnikov@isode.com> and Ken Murchison <Ken Murchison> as the
designated expert for RFC 9122 (IANA Registry for Sieve Actions).

6.3 Management item for DTN registry statement (Erik Kline and Zahed
    Sarker)

The management issue was deferred to the next IESG teleconference
(August 24, 2023).

6.4 Starting a Community Discussion on Priorities for IESG Processes
    (Lars Eggert)

The management issue was discussed.

6.5 Appeal Discussion and updated Statement (Martin Duke and Lars
    Eggert)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the revised
Guidance on Hybrid and Online Interim Meetings.

Action item: Lars Eggert to draft a response to the appeal on the
current guidance on interim meetings.

6.6 Friday Afternoon Sessions for IETF 118 (IESG)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the experiment to
extend Friday afternoon sessions for IETF 118.

Action item: IESG to decide how to use the experimental Friday
afternoon sessions at IETF 118.

6.7 [IANA #1277796] Designated experts for RFC 9457 on Problem Details for HTTP
APIs (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. An action item to find designated experts
for RFC 9457 was assigned to Murray Kucherawy prior to the start of the
teleconference.

6.8 Downref in the Extra Last Call for draft-ietf-ohai-ohttp (Murray Kucherawy)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved adding RFC 9180 to the
downref registry when draft-ietf-ohai-ohttp is returned to the RFC Editor Queue.

6.9 [IANA #1278422] Designated expert for RFC 3326 (The Reason Header Field for
the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)) (IANA)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Christer Holmberg
<christer.holmberg@ericsson.com> as the designated expert for RFC 3326 (The
Reason Header Field for the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)), replacing
Gonzalo Camarillo.

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)
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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/)
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.