Minutes interim-2025-iesg-19: Thu 14:00
minutes-interim-2025-iesg-19-202509251400-00

INTERNET ENGINEERING STEERING GROUP (IESG)
Minutes of the September 25, 2025 IESG Teleconference

Reported by: Liz Flynn, IETF Secretariat


ATTENDEES
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Mike Bishop (Akamai) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Matthew Bocci (Nokia) / IAB Liaison
Mohamed Boucadair (Orange) / Operations and Management Area
Morgan Condie (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Deb Cooley (Independent) / Security Area
Roman Danyliw (CERT/SEI) / IETF Chair, General Area
Gorry Fairhurst (Univ. of Aberdeen) / Web and Internet Transport Area
Liz Flynn (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Jim Guichard (Futurewei Technologies) / Routing Area
Mahesh Jethanandani (Arrcus) / Operations and Management Area
Erik Kline (Aalyria Technologies) / Internet Area
Jean Mahoney (AMS) / RFC Editor Liaison 
Cindy Morgan (AMS) / IETF Secretariat
Andy Newton (ICANN) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Tommy Pauly (Apple) / IAB Chair
Orie Steele (mesur.io) / Applications and Real-Time Area
Ketan Talaulikar (Cisco) / Routing Area
Sabrina Tanamal (ICANN) / IANA Liaison
Gunter Van de Velde (Nokia) / Routing Area
Paul Wouters (Aiven) /  Security Area


REGRETS
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Jay Daley / IETF Executive Director 
Éric Vyncke (Cisco) / Internet Area



OBSERVERS
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Donald Eastlake
Sandy Ginoza
Greg Wood


MINUTES
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1. Administrivia
1.1 Approval of the Minutes

No minutes were approved.


1.2 Documents Approved since the September 18, 2025 IESG Teleconference
1.2.1 Protocol Actions

  o draft-ietf-pim-sr-p2mp-policy-22  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-pim-p2mp-policy-ping-24  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang-13  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-netconf-port-numbers-07  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-httpbis-optimistic-upgrade-06  (Proposed Standard)
  o draft-ietf-ippm-capacity-protocol-25  (Proposed Standard)


1.2.2 Document Actions

  o draft-ietf-detnet-controller-plane-framework-15  (Informational)


1.3 Review of Action Items

DONE:
  o Orie Steele to find designated experts for RFC 9795 (Personal
    Assertion Token (PASSporT) Extension for Rich Call Data)[IANA
    #1423169].

IN PROGRESS:

  o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9770 (Notification 
    of Revoked Access Tokens in the Authentication and Authorization 
    for Constrained Environments (ACE) Framework) [IANA #1421561].

   o Paul Wouters to find designated experts for RFC 9820
(Authentication 
     Service Based on the EAP for Use with the CoAP)[IANA #1429703].

  o Roman Danyliw to take a look at Datatracker documentation of 
    document states and update as needed.

  o Paul Wouters to propose a sentence to add to the "IESG Statement on 
    Clarifying the Use of BCP 14 Key Words" regarding normative 
    language in diagrams.

  o Mahesh Jethanandani and Ketan Talaulikar to work with Dhruv Dhody 
    and Suresh Krishnan to look into potential retreat locations in 
    Asia.

  o IESG to review & update the Non-WG List spreadsheet.

  o Roman Danyliw and Mahesh Jethanandani to draft update to "Guidance 
    on Area Director Sponsoring of Documents" statement.

  o Roman Danyliw to check with the Trust about whether the IESG 
    Statement on Copyright is overtaken by RFC8721 Section 4.3.

  o Paul Wouters to suggest next steps on "IESG Statement on Maximizing 
    Encrypted Access To  IETF Information."

  o Med Boucadair and Mahesh Jethanandani to review "IESG Statement on 
    Proposed Status for IETF Documents Reserving Resources for Example 
    Purposes" and propose what needs to be updated.

  o Roman Danyliw, Andy Newton, Cindy Morgan, Paul Wouters to work on an
    IESG statement about submitting appeals.

  o Andy Newton and Roman Danyliw to work on re-chartering dispatch to
    cover multiple areas.

  o Ketan Talaulikar, Mahesh Jethanandani, and Roman Danyliw to work on
    an announcement regarding Datatracker state change for WG adoption.

NEW:

  o Deb Cooley to work with Greg Wood on guidance for WG Chairs about 
    how to use the Note Well.

2. Protocol actions
2.1 WG submissions
2.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-lsr-igp-ureach-prefix-announce-11  - IETF stream
   IGP Unreachable Prefix Announcement (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Jim Guichard

Gunter Van de Velde formally recused himself from the discussion. The
document was approved by the IESG pending a final check to be 
completed by Jim Guichard. The Secretariat will send a working group 
submission Protocol Action Announcement.


 o draft-ietf-lamps-pkcs8-prikeyinfo-contenttypes-01  - IETF stream
   PKCS #8 Private-Key Information Content Types (Proposed Standard)
   Token: Deb Cooley

The document was approved by the IESG pending a new revision. The 
Secretariat will send a working group submission Protocol Action 
Announcement once Deb Cooley confirms that the announcement is ready 
to be sent.


2.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.2 Individual submissions
2.2.1 New items

 NONE

2.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

2.3 Status changes
2.3.1 New items

 NONE

2.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3. Document actions
3.1 WG submissions
3.1.1 New items

 o draft-ietf-idr-bgpls-sr-vtn-mt-12  - IETF stream
   Applicability of Border Gateway Protocol - Link State (BGP-LS) with
   Multi-Topology (MT) for Segment Routing based Network Resource
   Partitions (NRPs) (Informational)
   Token: Ketan Talaulikar

The document remains under discussion by the IESG in order to 
resolve points raised by Mohamed Boucadair and Jim Guichard.*


3.1.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.2 Individual submissions via AD
3.2.1 New items

 NONE

3.2.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.3 Status changes
3.3.1 New items

 NONE

3.3.2 Returning items

 NONE

3.4 IRTF and Independent Submission stream documents
3.4.1 New items

 o conflict-review-farinacci-lisp-decent-00
   IETF conflict review for draft-farinacci-lisp-decent
     draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-18
     A Decent LISP Mapping System (LISP-Decent) (ISE: Informational)
   Token: Jim Guichard

The IESG has no problem with the RFC Editor publishing this 
document. The Secretariat will send a standard "no problem" 
message to the RFC Independent Submissions Editor that includes a 
conflict review response prepared by Jim Guichard.

3.4.2 Returning items

 NONE

4. Working Group actions
4.1 WG creation
4.1.1 Proposed for IETF review

 o Web Bot Auth (webbotauth)

The IESG approved the draft WG charter for IETF review pending 
edits to the text of the charter to be provided by Mike Bishop. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with a separate 
message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will place the WG on 
the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference after the conclusion 
of external review.


 o Operationalizing Network & service abstractIONS (onions)

The charter was removed from the agenda prior to the start of the
teleconference.


4.1.2 Proposed for approval

 o Domain Connect (dconn)

The IESG approved the charter for the new working group pending
edits to the text of the charter to be provided by Orie Steele. The 
Secretariat will send a WG Action announcement.


4.2 WG rechartering
4.2.1 Under evaluation for IETF review

 o HTTP (httpbis)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised 
charter. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with 
a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference 
(2025-10-09).


 o Content Delivery Networks Interconnection (cdni)

The IESG decided to proceed with IETF review of the revised 
charter. The Secretariat will send a WG Review announcement, with 
a separate message to new-work@ietf.org. The Secretariat will 
place the WG on the agenda for the next IESG Teleconference 
(2025-10-09).


4.2.2 Proposed for approval

 NONE

5. IAB news we can use

6. Management issues



6.1 Final BOF approvals for IETF 124

The management issue was discussed. 


6.2 2025 Note Well Review (Roman)

The management issue was discussed. 

Action item: Deb Cooley to work with Greg Wood on guidance for WG 
Chairs about how to use the Note Well.


6.3 Review of draft-editorial-rswg-rfc9280-updates (Roman)

The management issue was discussed. 


6.4 [IANA #1430491] Management Item: approve media type text/org

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved the registration
of media type text/org.


6.5 [IANA #1423169] Designated experts for RFC 9795 (Personal Assertion
Token (PASSporT) Extension for Rich Call Data) - (Orie Steele)

The management issue was discussed. The IESG approved Chris Wendt
<chris@appliedbits.com> and Jon Peterson <Jon.Peterson@transunion.com>
as the designated experts for RFC 9795.


6.6 Independent Submissions Editor Appointment (Cindy)

The management issue was discussed. 


6.7 Executive Session: SEAL vs SEAL (Paul Wouters)

The management issue was discussed in an executive session with IESG,
Secretariat, and IAB Chair present. 


6.8 Executive Session: Appeals and statement on appeal norms

The management issue was discussed in an executive session with IESG,
Secretariat, and IAB Chair present.  Paul Wouters recused himself and
left the call for a portion of the discussion.
 

7. Any Other Business (WG News, New Proposals, etc.)





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* Please see the Datatracker (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/) 
for details on documents that are under discussion by the IESG.