2013-02-12: Minutes
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IAB, IESG and IEEE 802 Executive Committee
Minutes of the 12 February 2013 Virtual Meeting

Reported by: Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat

ATTENDEES
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Bernard Aboba, IAB Chair 
Ross Callon, IAB 
Clint Chaplin, 802.11 Wireless Next Generation Chair
Benoit Claise, IESG
Spencer Dawkins, IAB
Ralph Droms, IESG 
Donald Eastlake 3rd
Stephen Farrell, IESG
Norman Finn
Howard Frazier, 802.3 MIB Task Group Chair 
Patricia Gerndon
Eric Gray, IETF Liaison Manager to IEEE 802.1 
Tony Jeffree, 802.1 Chair
Roger Marks, 802.16 Chair 
Cindy Morgan, IETF Secretariat
Paul Nikolich, 802 Chair
Glenn Parsons, 802.1 vice chair, RAC chair, IEEE-SA BOG
Pete Resnick, IESG
Dan Romascanu, IETF/IEEE-SA Liaison
Dorothy Stanley, 802.11 Liaison to IETF
Michael Johas Teener, IEEE 802.1 Audio/Video Bridging Task Group Chair
Geoff Thompson, 802.23 Chair and EC member 
Pat Thaler, 802 Vice-Chair 

REGRETS
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Subir Das, 802.21 Chair
Adrian Farrel, IESG 
Russ Housley, IETF Chair
Bruce Kraemer, IEEE 802.11 Chair
Jon Rosdahl, 802 Executive Secretary, 802.11 Vice Chair
Sean Turner, IESG 

MINUTES
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1. Roll Call, Agenda Bashing, Minutes Approval

Dan Romascanu called out the roll (see above).

The minutes of the 17 December 2012 virtual meeting were approved.

2. Review of Other Action Items from Previous Meetings (not part of the 
   shared items list)

IN PROGRESS

- John D'Ambrosia will add a page to the IEEE 802 website listing their 
  current liaison relationships.

NEW 

- Ross Callon and Ralph Droms to send info about guest passes to IEEE 
  802 Orlando to IAB and IESG (respectively).

- Pat Thaler to send info about WebEx session with 802 overview to IAB 
  and IESG.

- Cindy Morgan to check about Orlando hotel logistics re internet access 
  and room for executive session.

3. Preparations and agenda of the 3/16 face-to-face leadership meeting 
   in Orlando

Dan Romascanu briefly presented the draft agenda for the face-to-face 
meeting scheduled for 16 March 2013 [http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-
uploads/2013/02/2013-03-16-f2f-agenda-00.txt].  The group agreed to add 
an Executive Session to the agenda to discuss OpenStand.  Dan Romascanu 
agreed to send out an updated agenda based on the discussion.

Dan Romascanu reported that he would set up a wiki page for the meeting 
to facilitate attendance and food logistics.

Cindy Morgan agreed to request an additional room for the Executive 
Session and check on the logistics of internet access during the 
meeting.

Pat Thaler noted that IETF and IEEE 802 each agreed to set aside four 
guest passes for members of the other group to attend their meetings.  
Ross Callon and Ralph Droms agreed to send the information about the 
guest passes to the IAB and IESG.

4. RFC 4441bis - status report 

Spencer Dawkins reported that the IAB is currently reviewing draft-iab-
rfc4441rev-01.  Once the IAB has reviewed, the document will go through 
a two-week IAB Last Call and then a four-week IETF Call for Comments.

5. Areas of shared interest between the IETF and IEEE 802.  

For further details, see:
http://www.iab.org/wp-content/IAB-uploads/2013/02/coordination-06.txt

  1. IETF TRILL Fine-grained labeling and IEEE 802.1 tags - CLOSED 

  2. IETF BFD and IEEE 802.1AX

Adrian Farrel reported via email that interoperability testing with 
three vendors has gone well.  A new revision is expected before the 
Orlando IETF meeting.

  3. IETF NVO3 and IEEE 802.1 DCB

Adrian Farrell reported via email the new revisions of the Framework and 
Problem statement were posted in early February:

- http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-framework/
- http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-nvo3-overlay-problem-statement/

  4. IETF awareness of IEEE 802.1Q-2011

Pat Thaler reported that the team presenting the IEEE 802.1Q-2011 
tutorial at IETF 86 is working on the presentation materials and 
planning to send it to the IETF EDU Team.

A truncated version of the tutorial will be presented to the IAB and 
IESG during the Monday breakfast session.

  5. Effect of virtualization on IEEE 802 architecture

Glenn Parsons reported that he is working on an internet-draft to 
supplement his presentation on the IEEE 802 Proposed OUI Registry 
Restructuring.  Benoit Claise agreed to check and see if there was room 
on the OPSAREA agenda if the draft needs more discussion.

  6. IETF EMU and IEEE 802.1X, 802.11 and 802.16 security based on EAP
     - CLOSED 

  7. IETF Ethernet MIB, ADSL MIB and IEEE 802.3

Benoit Claise reported that a draft is being discussed on the working 
group mailing list.  

Dan Romascanu reported that the document is going though the 802 
publication process and is likely to be discussed at the 802 plenary in 
Orlando.  Howard Frazier added that the current timeline would have the 
document as an approved IEEE standard in late June or early July 2013.

  8. IETF 6LOWPAN and IEEE 802.15

Ralph Droms reported that he and Clint Powell are monitoring the ongoing 
work, and that the action item remains open.

  9. IETF PAWS WG and 802.11, 802.19, 802.22

Dan Romascanu reported that the use cases document [draft-ietf-paws-
problem-stmt-usecases-rqmts] is in IETF Last Call, and that the draft 
has been sent to the IEEE.  Pete Resnick reported that the document is 
on the 21 February 2013 IESG agenda for evaluation.

  10. IETF IPPM and LMAP, and IEEE 802.16 Metrology Study Group

Dan Romascanu reported that there will be a BOF on Large-Scale 
Measurement of Broadband Performance (LMAP) at IETF 86.

  11. IETF Mobile IP and EC OmniRAN Study Group

Roger Marks reported that he would check with Max Riegel about the 
status of a liaison statement from the OmniRAN Study Group to IETF. 

  12. IETF HOKEY and IEEE 802.21 - CLOSED

  13. IETF MIF and IEEE 802.21

No update was provided.

  14. IETF IPFIX Information Elements for Data Link monitoring

Dan Romascanu reported that IETF IPFIX working group is reviewing 
comments provided by 802.1 and planning to address those comments in the 
next version of the document.

  15. IETF RADIUS attributes for IEEE 802 networks

Benoit Claise reported that the IETF RADEXT working group is working to 
address comments on the document from 802.11.

  16. IEEE802.1Q SRP (and Gen2 updates) and RSVP/SIP
  17. IEEE 802.1AS/1588 and NTP
  18. 802.1AS/1588, 802.1Q time aware shaper(s) and RTP

Items 16-18 were discussed together.

Michael Johas Teener reported that work to date has used SIP and SDP, 
and that he is looking into other communities and IETF working groups 
like DISPATCH and CORE to see if they need to be involved; there is a 
challenge in getting cross-membership fertilization between the groups.  
Norman Finn reported that they are exchanging emails and setting up 
joint meetings and WedEx sessions to facilitate more active cooperations 
between the interested parties.
 
  19. Common OAM proposal

Ralph Droms reported that the IETF TRILL WG is working on the OAM 
requirements and framework documents.  

  20. Use of TRILL as an alternative path selection protocol for use in 
      802.11 mesh networks 

Norman Finn reported that 802.1 and 802.11 are working so that 802.11 
media can be in the middle of the network rather than just at the edges.  
The action item remains open.