Split DNS Configuration for the Internet Key Exchange Protocol Version 2 (IKEv2)
draft-ietf-ipsecme-split-dns-17
Yes
(Eric Rescorla)
No Objection
(Alvaro Retana)
(Deborah Brungard)
(Ignas Bagdonas)
(Martin Vigoureux)
(Mirja Kühlewind)
Note: This ballot was opened for revision 13 and is now closed.
Adam Roach Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(2018-11-19 for -14)
Sent
Thanks to everyone who worked on this document. It seems a very useful extension to IKEv2. I have a handful of minor and editorial comments that you may want to consider addressing. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please expand "IKEv2" in the title and abstract. See https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt for details. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §2.1: > To indicate support for Split DNS, an initiator includes one more > INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN attributes as defined in Section 3 as part of the > CFG_REQUEST payload. I can't parse this. Is it mean to say "...one or more..."? Or is "attributes" supposed to be "attribute"? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §2.1: > includes an INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attribute, but does not inclue an Nit: "include" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §2.1: > An initiator MAY convey its current DNSSEC trust anchors for the > domain specified in the INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN attribute. If it does > not wish to convey this information, it MUST use a length of 0. As an implementor, I would have no idea whether this was something I wanted to include. If it is configurable, then I would have no idea as an operator whether how to set such configuration. Could we add some guidance here about when implementations and/or operators might want to send this, and when they might not? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §2.4.1: > The responder replies with two DNS server addresses, and two internal > domains, "example.com" and "city.other.com". The domain "other.com" appears to be in active use by an organization known as "Other Entertainment." Please consider using an example domain as described in RFC 2606 section 2 or 3. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §2.4.2: > In this example, the initiator has no existing DNSSEC trust anchors > would the requested domain. the "example.com" dommain has DNSSEC Nit: "...domain. The..." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §4: > For example, if the INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN attribute > specifies "example.com", then "example.com", "www.example.com" and > "mail.eng.example.com" MUST be resolved using the internal DNS > resolver(s), but "anotherexample.com" and "ample.com" SHOULD NOT be > resolved using the internal resolver and SHOULD use the system's > external DNS resolver(s). The domain "anotherexample.com" is in use by a personal web site. The domain "ample.com" is registered anonymously through Amazon.com. For this example that needs to show a domain whose name is a subset of the indicated domain, please consider using an example domain as described in RFC 2602 section 2. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §5: > DNS records can be used to publish specific records containing trust > anchors for applications. The most common record type is the TLSA > record specified in [RFC6698]. This DNS record type publishes which > CA certificate or EE certificate to expect for a certain host name. Please expand "CA" and "EE". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- §5: > In most deployment scenario's, the IKE client has an expectation that Nit: "scenarios"
Benjamin Kaduk Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(2018-11-15 for -14)
Sent
I am balloting YES because I think this mechanism has significant value, but I do also have some substantial comments that will likely result in changes to the draft. (I also have a number of nit-level comments.) Section 1 nit: the Abstract and Introduction are supposed to stand on their own, so starting off with "Split DNS is a common configuration" before defining it makes the reader work a bit harder than perhaps they need to. Section 2 When Split DNS has been negotiated, the existing DNS server configuration attributes will be interpreted as internal DNS servers that can resolve hostnames within the internal domains. nit: maybe add a word or two to emphasize that the existing attributes are also IKEv2 Configuration Payload Attributes? Section 2.1 If an INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN attribute is included in the CFG_REQUEST, the initiator MUST also include one or more INTERNAL_IP4_DNS and INTERNAL_IP6_DNS attributes in the CFG_REQUEST. nit: I think I could parse this as saying that I need one or more IP4 and also one or more IP6 attributes (i.e., precluding v4- or v6-only configurations), which I assume is not the intent. Maybe "or" or "and/or" would be better than "and"? To indicate support for DNSSEC, an initiator includes one or more INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attributes as defined in Section 3 as part of the CFG_REQUEST payload. [...] nit: There are perhaps philosophical arguments to have about whether this indicates support for DNSSEC as a whole, or just for receiving trust anchors for DNSSEC from the responder [for the split-DNS domain(s)]. Section 2.2 supported by the server, unless the initiator has been configured with local polict to define a set of Split DNS domains to use by default. typo: "policy" We have to use DNS presentation format for the DS records and not wire format? Section 2.4 Please consider using IPv6 examples, per https://www.iab.org/2016/11/07/iab-statement-on-ipv6/ . Section 3.1 o Domain Name (0 or more octets) - A Fully Qualified Domain Name used for Split DNS rules, such as "example.com", in DNS presentation format and optionally using IDNA [RFC5890] for Internationalized Domain Names. Implementors need to be careful that this value is not null-terminated. W.r.t. IDNA, is this an A-label or a U-label? W.r.t NUL-termination, do they need to not send the zero byte or not expect to receive one? Section 3.2 Any INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attribute that is not immediately preceded by an INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN or another INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attribute applying to the same domain name MUST be ignored and treated as a protocol error. Isn't "ignored" incompatible with "treated as a protocol error"? Section 4 If a client is configured by local policy to only accept a limited number of INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN values, the client MUST ignore any other INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN values. Is this a limited *number* or a limited *set*? (If the former, exposition about which ones are the "other" ones is probably in order.) private remote network using the IPsec connection. If all traffic is routed over the IPsec connection, the existing global INTERNAL_IP4_DNS and INTERNAL_IP6_DNS can be used without creating specific DNS exemptions. DNS or DNSSEC exemptions (i.e., both)? Section 5 DNS records can be used to publish specific records containing trust anchors for applications. The most common record type is the TLSA record specified in [RFC6698]. This DNS record type publishes which CA certificate or EE certificate to expect for a certain host name. These records are protected by DNSSEC and thus can be trusted by the application. [...] I'm probably thinking too much about "trust" as a concept (due to the RATS BoF), but especially given that this goes on to say that this is a local policy decision, I'd suggest replacing "can be trusted" with something like "has a trust path in" or "are trustable by". Merely being in DNS with valid DNSSEC signatures does not make the client trust it; that's still a local policy decision. It allows the remote IKE/IPsec server to modify DNS answers including its DNSSEC cryptographic signatures by overriding existing DNS information with trust anchor conveyed via IKE and (temporarilly) installed on the IKE client. [...] nits: "including DNSSEC cryptographic signatures" (no "its"); "trust anchor(s)" IKE clients willing to accept INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attributes MUST use a whitelist of one or more domains that can be updated out of band. IKE clients with an empty whitelist MUST NOT use any INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attributes received over IKE. Such clients MAY interpret receiving an INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA attribute for a non- whitelisted domain as an indication that their local configuration may need to be updated out of band. [...] IKE clients MAY interpret an INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA for domain that was not preconfigured as an indication that it needs to update its IKE configuration (out of band). The client MUST NOT use such a INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA to reconfigure its local DNS settings. These two paragraphs seem essentially redundant (the first seems better to me). IKE clients MUST ignore any received INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA requests for a FDQN for which it did not receive and accept an INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN Configuration Payload. nit: are these really "requests"? Section 6 It's probably appropriate to reiterate here that "As discussed in Section 5, the INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA mechanism allows the credential used to authenticate an IKEv2 association to be leveraged into authenticating credentials for TLS and other connections. This reflects something of a privilege escalation, and initiators should ensure that they have sufficient trust in the communications peer to responsibly use (or not use) that elevated privilege." If the initiator is using DNSSEC validation for a domain in its public DNS view, and it requests and receives an INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN attribute without an INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA, it will need to reconfigure its DNS resolver to allow for an insecure delegation. It SHOULD NOT accept insecure delegations for domains that are DNSSEC signed in the public DNS view, for which it has not explicitely requested such deletation by specifying the domain specifically using a INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN(domain) request. It seems like heeding this SHOULD NOT would potentially require the initiator to make extra DNS requests from the external view that it would not otherwise need to make. I agree that this is the behavior we want to encourage with respect to not downgrading away from DNSSEC, but it's less clear to me that we want to encourage the initiator to go out of its way to check, as opposed to just using information it may happen to have already.
Eric Rescorla Former IESG member
Yes
Yes
(for -13)
Unknown
Alexey Melnikov Former IESG member
(was Discuss)
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-11-26 for -16)
Sent for earlier
Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS.
Alissa Cooper Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-11-19 for -14)
Sent
Section 5: "Enterprise Certificate Agency" --> I would have expected this to say Enterprise Certificate Authority. "Other generic or public domains, such as top-level domains, similarly SHOULD NOT be whitelisted." Under what exceptional circumstances would it make sense to whitelist a TLD? Is this like if I run Example Corp and I own .example?
Alvaro Retana Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -14)
Not sent
Ben Campbell Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-11-20 for -14)
Sent
- General: Once my client signals support for split DNS, what prevents a server from over claiming the domains that should be resolved via the private DNS servers? Perhaps for purposes of employee monitoring or censoring NTFW domains? (I've known some IT managers who would think that was a fine idea.) §6: "the IKE connection SHOULD only process the DNS information if the two connections are part of the same logical entity" How does a client determine the connections are part of the same logical entity? I can think of some ways, but I think the draft should be give some explicit guidance.
Deborah Brungard Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -14)
Not sent
Ignas Bagdonas Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -14)
Not sent
Martin Vigoureux Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -14)
Not sent
Mirja Kühlewind Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(for -14)
Not sent
Spencer Dawkins Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-11-20 for -14)
Sent
Perhaps it would be helpful to give an example of why A client using these configuration payloads will be able to request and receive Split DNS configurations using the INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN and INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA configuration attributes. The client device can use the internal DNS server(s) for any DNS queries within the assigned domains. DNS queries for other domains SHOULD be sent to the regular external DNS server. DNS queries for other domains might not be sent to the regular external DNS server? I'm thinking of one, but I'm flat-out guessing.
Suresh Krishnan Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-11-20 for -14)
Sent
* Sections 3.1 and 7 I have a hard time seeing why the length of the INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN attribute would ever be zero. Do you expect someone to send an empty attribute? If not, the attribute definition should be updated in Section 7. * Meta comment Since the draft needs and uses a lot of example domain names, I would suggest using a reserved TLD (e.g. ".example") from BCP32 to build up the examples instead of using registered domain names.
Terry Manderson Former IESG member
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-11-20 for -14)
Sent
Thanks for the time and effort invested in this document. I'm also very interested to see the resolution to Warren's DISCUSS regarding ipsecme-split-dns being used as an easy tool to over-claim entire sections of the DNS hierarchy. Perhaps specifying that the DOMAIN and TA sent to the client MUST be in the administrative control of the VPN provider (I'm not sure I read that in the draft) might be one way out, yet I wonder if this is a case of simply having to trust that the VPN provider does the right thing (as cold as that leaves me) regardless of the words in the document.
Warren Kumari Former IESG member
(was Discuss)
No Objection
No Objection
(2018-12-04 for -16)
Sent
Thank you for addressing my DISCUSS. I still don't love this idea / solution, but after asking the DNSOP list for review (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg24835.html) and getting feedback (https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dnsop/current/msg24881.html) I've been persuaded that the benefits (with the mitigations) outweigh the risks. ---- Original DISCUSS position ---- I hope I'm just missing something obvious here, but this seems like it may cause a significant security issue. Lots of "regular" users use VPNs for access the Internet, either to bypass censorship / content restrictions, or to improve their privacy. These are not "corporate" / "enterprise" VPNs, but rather public ones - and sometimes they are run by people I wouldn't entirely trust. What is to stop one of these VPN providers setting: INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN(www.paypal.com) INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA(43547,8,1,B6225AB2CC613E0DCA7962BDC2342EA4...) or, better yet: INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN(com) INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA(43547,8,1,B6225AB2CC613E0DCA7962BDC2342EA4...) and so being able to spoof DNSSEC for paypal.com / all of .com? This is especially worrying if something like DANE is ever deployed... The draft *does* says: "Other generic or public domains, such as top-level domains, similarly SHOULD NOT be whitelisted." - this doesn't really answer the above. 1: It is increasingly hard to know what is a "real" TLD (.internal? .bank? .home?) 2: How do I programatically tell if www.foo.net is a "public domain"? What is a public domain anyway? How is an implementer supposed to address this? It also says: "Any updates to this whitelist of domain names MUST happen via explicit human interaction to prevent invisible installation of trust anchors." Is my auntie really expected (or competent) to understand what "Your VPN provider, TrustVPN wants to whitelist com. Do you want to allow this? [Y/N]" means? I'm hoping that I'm completely misunderstanding how the INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA bit works. Also, some of the DNS behavior is handwavey - I think that the document really should be reviewed by DNSOP, but will leave it to Eric to make that call. -------------- This section: " The content of INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN and INTERNAL_DNSSEC_TA may be passed to another (DNS) program for processing. As with any network input, the content SHOULD be considered untrusted and handled accordingly." feels a bit handwavey. Are there currently any DNSSEC validating clients which can easily take a targeted TA for a specific domain / set of domains? I’m also not quite sure how this interacts with delegations. E.g: example.com 600 IN NS ns01.internal.example And then INTERNAL_DNS_DOMAIN(internal.example) — if the client runs a local recursive, does it need to send the query to ns01 though the VPN or not?